Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're sure you're not making this one up...?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t461698.html
It's impossible to copy text with any sort of precision on an iPad in safari, but the Wolverine feat begins at Limited Series #4.
I've read the story myself, and was digging around the web for some scans, and stumbled onto Digi's post.
Too bad the images shacks are all broken.
Charnal weakening is just speculation. I've read the story, and there's nothing that suggests it.
I already said it was an alt Wolverine, though, That's my point,. This is also an alt Dione, and alt cosmic beings he defeated, because every single instance of Time Travel in Marvel involves alt universes (As said via the Marvel website itself.)
Originally posted by TheHulkster
GDS Darkseid is also an alternate.
Yes, and no.
Yes, because he's technically pre crisis.
No, because DC has a different policy regarding time travel then Marvel. In Rock of Ages, when Kyle and other JLA members went to the future, that was the actual future. And when they changed history, they altered their universe.
Not so in Marvel. If, say, Thor visits the future where Dione takes over, he isn't visiting HIS universes future. He isn't going ahead in 616's timeline. Because according to Marvel, that's impossible... Instead, they go to a different UNIVERSE. Every change they make applies to that universe only.
DC style, future Dione would BE the present Dione. Marvel style, he's a Dione from a mirror universe.
That's why you can say Darkseid conquered the universe in Rock of Ages and be technically accurate, but can't say the same for Thanos or King Thor (I know people DO say that for Thor, and Thor even has memories of doing so, but it's technically inaccurate via Marvel's official policy.)
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, and no.Yes, because he's technically pre crisis.
No, because DC has a different policy regarding time travel then Marvel. In Rock of Ages, when Kyle and other JLA members went to the future, that was the actual future. And when they changed history, they altered their universe.
Not so in Marvel. If, say, Thor visits the future where Dione takes over, he isn't visiting HIS universes future. He isn't going ahead in 616's timeline. Because according to Marvel, that's impossible... Instead, they go to a different UNIVERSE. Every change they make applies to that universe only.
DC style, future Dione would BE the present Dione. Marvel style, he's a Dione from a mirror universe.
That's why you can say Darkseid conquered the universe in Rock of Ages and be technically accurate, but can't say the same for Thanos or King Thor (I know people DO say that for Thor, and Thor even has memories of doing so, but it's technically inaccurate via Marvel's official policy.)
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Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, and no.Yes, because he's technically pre crisis.
No, because DC has a different policy regarding time travel then Marvel. In Rock of Ages, when Kyle and other JLA members went to the future, that was the actual future. And when they changed history, they altered their universe.
Not so in Marvel. If, say, Thor visits the future where Dione takes over, he isn't visiting HIS universes future. He isn't going ahead in 616's timeline. Because according to Marvel, that's impossible... Instead, they go to a different UNIVERSE. Every change they make applies to that universe only.
DC style, future Dione would BE the present Dione. Marvel style, he's a Dione from a mirror universe.
That's why you can say Darkseid conquered the universe in Rock of Ages and be technically accurate, but can't say the same for Thanos or King Thor (I know people DO say that for Thor, and Thor even has memories of doing so, but it's technically inaccurate via Marvel's official policy.)
Questions.
Is GDS the future of today’s DCU?
Is DC 1 Million the future of today’s DCU?
Are you declaring Marvel Handbook designations as official policy?
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Questions.Is GDS the future of today’s DCU?
Is DC 1 Million the future of today’s DCU?
Are you declaring Marvel Handbook designations as official policy?
That’s the way I see it.
1. Uncertain.
2. Possibly.
3. This policy is backed up by countless stories.
DC, of course, needs a way to reset the status quo in time events. Their answer is the concept of 'solid time" and "liquid time", relative to the "present".
Essentially, they can't change history via normally visiting the past (That takes a plot device like Dr. Manhattan.) The future, otoh, is always subject to change based on events in the present day.
So far, DC One Million has been referenced enough times where it probably still hasn't been retconned. At least, assuming All Star Supermans references and status as an "imaginary story" doesn't serve as a "soft retcon."
The Great Darkness Saga is trickier. When there were several offshoot timelines living in concert, I'd say no.
But with Superman merging together past history, and LOSH resurrecting a lot of old Levitz era stuff, it may very well have been re-established as "current history."
The fact DC does resets all the time, while Marvel tries to tie everything together since the silver age, kind of demands different solutions to time events.
@Abhi and Hulkster. I think that the artistic team for the Thanos series are above their heads, as they were and still are unable to properly keep up with the plots narration.
This team has failed repeatedly to work the more important filler scenes into the view. For example we have no idea what Thanos did to Galactus. Because of this, the entire story leaves one wondering if they'd missed an epic portion of the story that was yanked out.
Abhi this is obviously a far more powerful version of the Surfer. He was able to blow through Ghost Rider like he wasn't even there, and the idea that it took two versions of Thanos to defeat him should be more than enough to prove that the Surfer is more powerful than Mjolnir alone would be able to grant him in terms of power. Going further back to Thanos being able to take assaults from a PF Avatar allows for us to believe that the younger Thanos alone has extreme amounts of power.
Originally posted by Stoic
@Abhi and Hulkster. I think that the artistic team for the Thanos series are above their heads, as they were and still are unable to properly keep up with the plots narration.This team has failed repeatedly to work the more important filler scenes into the view. For example we have no idea what Thanos did to Galactus. Because of this, the entire story leaves one wondering if they'd missed an epic portion of the story that was yanked out.
Don’t they show that here?
Abhi this is obviously a far more powerful version of the Surfer. He was able to blow through Ghost Rider like he wasn't even there, and the idea that it took two versions of Thanos to defeat him should be more than enough to prove that the Surfer is more powerful than Mjolnir alone would be able to grant him in terms of power. Going further back to Thanos being able to take assaults from a PF Avatar allows for us to believe that the younger Thanos alone has extreme amounts of power. [/B]
Agreed.