Morlun vs Gorgon

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You need a Class 100 villain to punch you in the head or what?

Morlun's superhumanly fast, capable of tagging faster characters than himself in combat (given enough time), but this is a blatant lie.

It's not even a stretch, let alone a lie. Morlun was shown to be able to tag Spider-man with ease. Hell, Parm just posted a scan of him moving so fast 4 Spider-men said he is faster than their spider sense.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Both characters have few appearances, old KMCers like us should know them by heart.

Morlun is a powerhouse, but he's not tailor-made for guys like Gorgon.

Immune to piercing attacks? Nope.

Hyper speed? Yes, but to much less degree than that of Gorgon's.

Resisting matter manipulation? Again, nope.

Gorgon could also distract him with a minor telepathic assault, like he did to Logan in the end of AoS... since Morlun has no TP "armor" feats and could be read like an open book.

Morlun is not unpiercable but he is pretty much immune to piercing attacks. At least to the point that he outright ignores vibranium spear through the heart and alt. u. Wolverine's claws through the chest (which we can safely assume to be adamantium considering they went right through), not to mention all the debris from wakandan vibranium missiles/bombs that they threw at him.
Whether he can resist Gorgon's swords is yet to be seen (I personally would bet he can), but I wouldn't use the "The Other" as an example since it's basically an anti-inheritors plot device weapon.

As for telepathic distraction/stone stare, if we are to use their more rare abilities, one could argue that Morlun could use that vanishing trick to remain undetected, the same trick that allowed him to jump past Wolverine while talking and somehow remain unnoticed by Logan's super senses.

It certainly can be argued that Gorgon could win some using his more exotic abilities/sword, but it's Morlun's fight to lose.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because alt characters don't count. everyone (except 616 characters) was fodder. we don't know how powerful captain universe sm was, we dont just assume it's equal to 616 since we have multiple examples of alt charatcers paling in comparison to their counterparts.

1. i read the story
2. i read the story
3. i read the story
4. i read the story

morlun and crew have the advantage over totems, gargan is not a totem...nor is he a fodder alt universe character with zero feats. gorgon is arguably as fast, better skilled, weaker strength wise, durability wash, has a hf and a one shot weapon

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:

(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka?

Basically, Morlun is a Spidey foe and Gorgon is a Wolvy foe.

Spiderman >>> Wolverine.

Maths don't lie.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:

(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka?

lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Concession accepted

didnt concede. your stance is dumb. not gonna assume Hulk fron 2067 is in the same tier as Hulk from 616 just becuz. get that grade school debating outta here

Originally posted by Sin I AM
didnt concede. your stance is dumb. not gonna assume Hulk fron 2067 is in the same tier as Hulk from 616 just becuz. get that grade school debating outta here

Originally posted by One Big Mob
What about half as strong?

hes not anyting unless he displays the same level of strength. we dont just assume

Originally posted by SamZED
I've been hit in the head plenty, so i'd rather not. 😛

It's not even a stretch, let alone a lie. Morlun was shown to be able to tag Spider-man with ease. Hell, Parm just posted a scan of him moving so fast 4 Spider-men said he is faster than their spider sense.

Alternate Spider-Men.

616 Parker was able to go to a prolonged battle with Morlun, avoiding being fatally tagged... he even had his blitz moments against Morlun... so I need to disagree.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Alternate Spider-Men.

616 Parker was able to go to a prolonged battle with Morlun, avoiding being fatally tagged... he even had his blitz moments against Morlun... so I need to disagree.

So would you say he's about as fast as Matt on average? (And how come no one else ever gets play for tagging Spidey with ease? Lots have done it... some, consistently.)

Originally posted by cdtm
So would you say he's about as fast as Matt on average? (And how come no one else ever gets play for tagging Spidey with ease? Lots have done it... some, consistently.)

Originally posted by Sin I AM
hes not anyting unless he displays the same level of strength. we dont just assume

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

and, you know, common sense....

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=550303&pagenumber=2

*cough* *cough*

Originally posted by One Big Mob
But surely we can assume say someone with Hulk powers is above Spider-Man level in strength no?

Also, you missed the point of The Fuhrer bringing up draining characters. He wasn't saying Mordaddy could drain Captain Universe of 616 for example, but he was using it to show he could drain large amounts of energy not Spider-Totems. Morlun casually drained a Genis Vell for instance, who may or may not have had a full history of feats. I can't find solid proof it's the same Genis besides bios.
And on that note, Captain Universe Spider-Man was a self proclaimed God and the most powerful thing in the universe. He also effortlessly killed Lord Jennix, so he wasn't just some weak character. Solus was able to stand up to him and drain his attacks.

Solus who got killed by a hugely amped Kaine Other who Morlun was able to rip apart and kill.

A lot of alt characters are featless yes, but being featless does not mean being a normal human.

are all hulks the same? Jen has the same powerset and she gets stronger as she rages can I assume she can go Worldbreaker? I dont assume anything till its proven you know ON PANEL.

Universes draining was explained away because his power was pure life energy or something along those lines.

i never said they were normal human i said they werent equal to their 616 counterparts until proven so. how is that so hard to grasp?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are all hulks the same? Jen has the same powerset and she gets stronger as she rages can I assume she can go Worldbreaker? I dont assume anything till its proven you know ON PANEL.

Universes draining was explained away because his power was pure life energy or something along those lines.

i never said they were normal human i said they werent equal to their 616 counterparts until proven so. how is that so hard to grasp?

Second, no, not all Hulks are the same. Which is why I was asking you questions earlier about where you'd place them. You instead just said he wasn't anything.
Also there's a difference between Jen and Bruce, mainly one directly received it, while Jen just was sharing needles with Bruce.

Yes, but that was the point. That he wasn't limited to totems. That Gorgan might have some life energy to drain.
Cap also wasn't able to casually blow up Solus as well, and they had something of a fight before the draining.

And people weren't saying they were directly equal (mind you, Hulk has fought a few alt Hulks and more often than not they are portrayed as the same strength), they were saying they were in the same tier. Which if you want to put a definition on it, they'd lack the high end feats of the characters, while the average to lower end feats should be reasonable to assume.
What this means is that while Spider Hulk couldn't punch a planet in twix, he could however go fist to punch with say Namor for example.

No one is saying we give them feats, but rather that we assume they can accomplish some Hulk level things. I think that's more than fair. The intention of a Hulk for instance isn't to be a class 20. But even if we ignore my off the head made up definition, we should be able to reasonably assume an alt Hulk for example is stronger than Gorgon.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
smh...two over hyped characters. they stalemate

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, they're very similar in many ways.

Pale skin, overpowered, arrogant, near-perfect track records (at least used to be that way)...

Morlun is more powerful physically, Gorgon is more versatile and skilled...

Originally posted by Sin I AM
this is y they stalemate

Originally posted by Sin I AM
morlun isnt gonna override gorgons hf and gorgon has no way to put morlun down. stone stare is rarely effective

*Darksaint posts a scan of an insane speed feat for Morlun* it gets ignored, the start of another trend Sin starts here.

*The story teller Parmaniac posts an insane quantifiable feat of Morlun (him no selling all of Wakandas weaponry), something that actually goes far beyond what gorgon has ever displayed* Sin ignores that too.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
alt reality characters dont count.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It shows he can feed on people who aren't totems, though.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Adamantium net

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I love Sin's desperate attempts to justify a stalemate 😂

Originally posted by Sin I AM
are you gonna contribute or are you gonna troll son?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
You accusing me of trolling here is hilarious, because if you actually take a look at this thread I'm by far the one who contributed the most here. While you keep saying shit like "alt characters don't count" because it doesn't help your pov, while simply ignoring all of the scans I've posted. If anyone's behaviour can be considered trolling here it's yours.

Morlun is an entirely different tier than Gorgon.

FFS Morlun was never actually bested in battle without a plot device.

1. Spider-Man used his irradiated blood to poison him so her turned to dust.
2. Spider-Man become "The Other" which is basically Inheritor kryptonite and stabbed Morlun (same way Kaine was able to kill Solus)
3. He was BFRed into Wakanda's Death Realm where he fought the endless hordes of death.
4. And in Spiderverse Spider-Man with a group of other Spiders and an Inheritor that switched sides he (Morlun), along with the rest of the inheritors were BFRed again into a place where they could barely survive.

Originally posted by leonidas
https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009146428848738?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c

https://plus.google.com/photos/116277202286120869572/album/6437009144759563505/6437009145772953810?authkey=CMb-gqnhqMSW3AE&sqid=115790306775503909282&ssid=9186fb45-5862-4cee-b60e-ff0ea246de7c.

Leonidas actually starts to present scans (something Sin hasn't done once, eventhough we have reached the middle of page 3 by now, so much for contribution) that show that Gorgon since his early showings actually went down on the ladder (if this is justified or not is another topic)

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'd like to see Gorgon's best feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
that was from secret empire and that was full power herc. which is relevant because as i said, morlun has been compared by spidey to guys in thor's class of power. the multiversal nature of his family would actually seem to back that statement up.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Didn't Morlun not only tank vibranium tipped missiles, but tore a vibranium mesh too?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
adamantium

Originally posted by Sin I AM
because alt characters don't count. everyone (except 616 characters) was fodder. we don't know how powerful captain universe sm was, we dont just assume it's equal to 616 since we have multiple examples of alt charatcers paling in comparison to their counterparts.

1. i read the story
2. i read the story
3. i read the story
4. i read the story

morlun and crew have the advantage over totems, gargan is not a totem...nor is he a fodder alt universe character with zero feats. gorgon is arguably as fast, better skilled, weaker strength wise, durability wash, has a hf and a one shot weapon

Going by the quality of Sins replies and arguments in this thread so far

1. unlikely
2. unlikely
3. unlikely
4. unlikely

Sin also suddenly mentions that Gorgon has a "one shot weapon" even though her initial stance was that they stalemate and that Gorgon has no way of putting Morlun down. So by her own logic this weapon can't really have an effect on Morlun and it makes it quite awkward to now mention it especially under the label of a "one shot weapon", this either refers to the stone stare which she already labeled as ineffective or the God Killer Sword. Also all of her stat comparisons are unsupported claims since she hasn't posted a single scan of Gorgon to be compared to Morlun quite uber feats that were contributed by the evil troll Parmaniac.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
What a great logic, let's not allow alternate versions as feats for a multiversal character in a multiversal event with only two 616 characters present.

Characters not allowed: Fodder, totems, alternative versions, characters with no feats (even though they have clear descriptions by what characters said about them or what they said about themself) <- so basically pretty much every character he has ever faced. Thunderous applause for Sin

Ironically since you're forcing me to use only 616 examples and feats pulled from 616 characters I can simply claim Morlun turns invisble for Gorgon (as he did for 616 Wolverine) and beats the shit out of him.

Characters might not be on the same level as their 616 counterpart but usually they are in the same tier.

And no Gorgon is not a totem but neither are those:

(they don't count of course because it's fodder)

plus of course 2 different cosmic beings with different power sources (which doesn't count of course since their alt versions).

I kinda like the irony of this one though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon

worked just fine, why don't you purify yourself in waters of lake minnetonka?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol you mad? your entire post is stupid. im not using a featless character as a gauge. sorry