I don't think he'd use it in a random fight. Reed told him that he could destroy all life on Earth with it if he wasn't careful, and he only used it after that when they had Sue to contain it in a forcefield.
Obviously, if he does use it, she'd die horribly. But he'd risk wiping out everything else, including himself.
Originally posted by KingD19
Well I'm pretty sure Johnny is immune to his own Supernova.But is the world taken into account during this fight? Aren't most fights in a featureless void unless otherwise stated?
IIRC, heat wasn't the issue. Reed said he'd ignite the planet's atmosphere, which is something even Johnny still needs to survive (I think. The 2nd movie made kind of a cluster**** of all that. His flames died and he started passing out because of lack of oxygen during his first encounter with the Surfer, but helps the Surfer fly into space and into Galactus' swirly cloudmouth at the end of the film. So, go figure that one out).
Though if we are assuming that those conditions aren't valid in this match, and that HT is allowed to go all out, then yeah, Nova flame for the win.
DD fired focused beams that she could block with a shield or her bracers. Human Torch can fire blasts that spread out over a much larger area than those things can cover, such as when he ignited an entire garbage water rig with a quick blast during the missile chase scene from the first film. And yeah, she is going to throw stuff at a guy who can outrace missiles and keep up with the Silver Surfer?
On a random note, I assume composite means he gets the 2015 feats as well. And while that movie sucked overall, that HT completely wrecked a drone simply by flying into it while in flame on mode (and also went through solid stone pillars at the end of the film IIRC). So, anything that gets thrown at him would probably melt or something in anyways, even if it happened to be on target.
Im also not buying into this whole WW isnt bullet proof thing. Sure she was scratched one time before realizing her full power, since then she has tanked huge explosions, cratered into the ground, hard rock and concrete by doomsday, directly hit by Superman without blocking with a weapon. Any one of these provides more damage then a bullet. She's completely unaffected by gas that can melt gas masks with metal parts, she is completely unaffected by fire.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well shes fast enough to deflect bullets, and she can throw objects much larger than missiles.Plus shock waves.
What feats does she have of hitting a guy who can fly at speeds of over Mach 14.5 with thrown objects? Because that's what was calculated as the average speed he and the Surfer were hitting during their chase scene in the 2nd film. And it was shown that they can go much faster, as after they covered the distance used to do that calc (a trip from New York to New Jersey to Washington DC in about 75 seconds), they are shown to accelerate even faster.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What feats does she have of hitting a guy who can fly at speeds of over Mach 14.5 with thrown objects? Because that's what was calculated as the average speed he and the Surfer were hitting during their chase scene in the 2nd film. And it was shown that they can go much faster, as after they covered the distance used to do that calc (a trip from New York to New Jersey to Washington DC in about 75 seconds), they are shown to accelerate even faster.
Thats travelling speed though. Flying away from misslies or after Surfer e.t.c.
What combat dodging fears has he shown, especially while simultaneously shooting fire at his opponent?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, considering the OP did not specify a location, what exactly is Diana going to be throwing? Her sword? Her shield? Her lasso? Her boots? Not really that much bigger than a missile, and they also aren't heat-seeking, like the missile was.
A chunk of the ground will do.
This is the gal who chucks around tanks with ease.
I also already mentioned shock waves which you seemed to have ignored.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats travelling speed though. Flying away from misslies or after Surfer e.t.c.What combat dodging fears has he shown, especially while simultaneously shooting fire at his opponent?
A chunk of the ground will do.
This is the gal who chucks around tanks with ease.
I also already mentioned shock waves which you seemed to have ignored.
No, it's not just travel speed. Because he needed to react to all the obstacles, such as cars, tunnels etc. while moving at hypersonic speeds. And you were the one who made the initial claim, so you first need to post some feats of her chucking chunks of ground at flying opponents.
And, again, this is the composite version according to the OP. So, not sure how a chunk of ground is going to do much when 2015 HT could withstand direct collisions with drones and stone columns without injury. He also withstood some of that Doom's tk blasts, who showcased multi-ton level power towards the end of the film. And 2005/2007 HT is durable enough to take a punch from the Thing that was hard enough to send him flying dozens of feet, and crash land from the upper atmosphere into the desert, without being hurt.
So, even if WW could accurately hit him with a thrown object (which you have yet to prove she can), there is no guarantee it will have the effect you are hoping for.
The shockwave might work, but that's also assuming she hits him with it before he can roast her.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
No, it's not just travel speed. Because he needed to react to all the obstacles, such as cars, tunnels etc. while moving at hypersonic speeds. And you were the one who made the initial claim, so you first need to post some feats of her chucking chunks of ground at flying opponents.And, again, this is the composite version according to the OP. So, not sure how a chunk of ground is going to do much when 2015 HT could withstand direct collisions with drones and stone columns without injury. He also withstood some of that Doom's tk blasts, who showcased multi-ton level power towards the end of the film. And 2005/2007 HT is durable enough to take a punch from the Thing that was hard enough to send him flying dozens of feet, and crash land from the upper atmosphere into the desert, without being hurt.
So, even if WW could accurately hit him with a thrown object (which you have yet to prove she can), there is no guarantee it will have the effect you are hoping for.
The shockwave might work, but that's also assuming she hits him with it before he can roast her.
I never seen him move at super sonic speed. 100mph tops. And also great distance gives more time to react. So speed alone is irrelevant. You must have both speed and distance to calculate reaction time. Everything he dodged was shown to take more than a half of second to react.
Johnny is not bullet proof. A thrown object going faster than a bullet would go right through him easily.