New Zod Vs Beta Ray Bill

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is supposed to be a retort?

Faster than tarpit speedster Thor fo shure.

Originally posted by abhilegend

They never reached the galactic core and it did not look like the portal in question.

Wut? The demons were shown coming out of the core and the same was shown again in Odin's vision.

This is just pathetic.

I'm going to keep repeating it until you get it into that skull of yours.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, the demons came from the galactic core.

It wasn't the portal though. In all depictions of it, it was never the portal which Thor and Bill destroyed which you tried to depict it as.

Lie much, huh?

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's proper retort for a moronic person like you.

That's what Odin said.

They didn't reach to the galactic core because there Surtur was creating the Twilight sword.

Seriously, have you even read the story?

Where Surtur was located was beyond the portal. It was not the galactic core for crying out loud. Jeezuz....

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Useless...

Yeah, you're useless.

"Until at last they reach the [b]core of the galaxy that once housed the civilzation of Bill's people."
https://i.imgur.com/KwOlP6o.jpg

I'm going to keep repeating it until you get it into that skull of yours.

Except it was a misdirect from Surtur who was at the core of the galaxy forging twilight.

You're at least able to read I assumed.

Wow. The demons came streaming from the galactic core. Within the core, there was a gigantic gateway that was explicitly shown to dwarf nearby celestial bodies. A gateway that was stated to harness the stars. An object that is depicted as a sun/star in other books.
In fact it has literally been called an "exploding sun".
https://i.imgur.com/SBf8lrb.jpg
Yes, I'm going to keep repeating this one too.
The demons disappeared and stopped streaming out as soon as the portal was destroyed. There was no other source ffs.

Hahaha, this is just pure gold. Now a portal is a sun when it was shown quite differently in the comic itself.

How desperate are you for this one feat.

Oh no you don't. You don't make a claim that Bill and Thor didn't reach the galactic core and get away with it. Another one of you moronic claims. Along with "Brainiac's ship was shown bigger than the sun".
😆

Brainiac's ship was shown larger than the sun more than Surturs portal was ever shown bigger than stars.

Where Surtur was located was beyond the portal. It was not the galactic core for crying out loud. Jeezuz.... [/B]

He created the twilight from the core of the galaxy but somehow he was beyond core.

You're pathetic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Those could be the energy sources powering up the portal.

I don't know honestly. I doubt Walt intended the portal to be that big with no such explanations given.

Good, Good.

I agree with this assessment. They were most likely energy sources powering up the portal. Now, a huge portal that is constantly open to a different hellish Universe would likely require a great deal of power.

What do you think, would be a readily available source of power that Surtur could use for this portal?

Hint, Bill says in the scan below:

""Woe that the very Stars which gave me life should be harnessed now to create such evil!"

mhmm

I'm just genuinely curious how far you'll run with this cognitive dissonance. I have rarely seen an artist as skilled as Walt in depicting scale in one image.

In that one panel, we have the portal, bordered by Suns, which are in turn bordered by smaller celestial with their own moons (Bottom right/Top left), with the demon horde shrinking into the horizon to indicate the massive size despite the great distance of said portal.

I mean, just google Solar Systems:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&biw=1536&bih=700&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=AZeqWtewGIPCsQXD8bToCA&q=solar+systems&oq=solar+systems&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.19601.21505.0.21700.2.2.0.0.0.0.98.192.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.192...0i67k1.0.jNCH6tjowLQ

Looks familiar. mhmm

I don't think anyone even cares about this one particular feat that much, it's just hilarious that you would go to such lengths to deny the obvious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Good, Good.

I agree with this assessment. They were most likely energy sources powering up the portal. Now, a huge portal that is constantly open to a different hellish Universe would likely require a great deal of power.

What do you think, would be a readily available source of power that Surtur could use for this portal?

Hint, Bill says in the scan below:

""Woe that the very Stars which gave me life should be harnessed now to create such evil!"

mhmm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm just genuinely curious how far you'll run with this cognitive dissonance. I have rarely seen an artist as skilled as Walt in depicting scale in one image.

In that one panel, we have the portal, bordered by Suns, which are in turn bordered by smaller celestial with their own moons (Bottom right/Top left), with the demon horde shrinking into the horizon to indicate the massive size despite the great distance of said portal.

I mean, just google Solar Systems:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&biw=1536&bih=700&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=AZeqWtewGIPCsQXD8bToCA&q=solar+systems&oq=solar+systems&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.19601.21505.0.21700.2.2.0.0.0.0.98.192.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.192...0i67k1.0.jNCH6tjowLQ

Looks familiar. mhmm

I don't think anyone even cares about this one particular feat that much, it's just hilarious that you would go to such lengths to deny the obvious.

mmm

And that pesky Surtur, creating his biggest portal on earth which almost pushed Bill/Hercules/Vision and She hulk to their limits just to topple.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wvh-JIYJtDk/Vnp70PDttaI/AAAAAAAAYkc/-Afgt0FJfdg/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RgmlCoOw23E/Vnp70vkP_QI/AAAAAAAAYkk/TA8OeT1UcT8/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-evuXmXwjqDg/Vnp70safpMI/AAAAAAAAYkc/69fR2SL-H8k/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg

Just look at the sheer size of the portal. Dwarfing stars right there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, you're useless.

Except it was a misdirect from Surtur who was at the core of the galaxy forging twilight.

You're at least able to read I assumed.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Hahaha, this is just pure gold. Now a portal is a sun when it was shown quite differently in the comic itself.
How desperate are you for this one feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's what Surtur did and Odin claimed.

Brainiac's ship was shown larger than the sun more than Surturs portal was ever shown bigger than stars.

facepalm
Odin made no claim like that. He knew Bill and Thor were unable to penetrate the barrier/portal. They destroyed it intead. Odin empowered his ravens to return to the burning galaxy and penetrate the barrier.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gH5nMDB0zmA/Vnp5_cv0JFI/AAAAAAAAX9E/_Supn8P5ojU/s1600-Ic42/RCO010.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CQ0y9sCbh0w/Vnp6ILUUt-I/AAAAAAAAX_8/dxdKqrzGmV0/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

Oh really? Show us the multiple times where Brainiac's ship was shown larger than the sun.

Originally posted by abhilegend

He created the twilight from the core of the galaxy but somehow he was beyond core.

You're pathetic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So I guess Thor/Bill were planet/star size too?

mmm

And that pesky Surtur, creating his biggest portal on earth which almost pushed Bill/Hercules/Vision and She hulk to their limits just to topple.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Wvh-JIYJtDk/Vnp70PDttaI/AAAAAAAAYkc/-Afgt0FJfdg/s1600-Ic42/RCO017.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RgmlCoOw23E/Vnp70vkP_QI/AAAAAAAAYkk/TA8OeT1UcT8/s1600-Ic42/RCO019.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-evuXmXwjqDg/Vnp70safpMI/AAAAAAAAYkc/69fR2SL-H8k/s1600-Ic42/RCO020.jpg

Just look at the sheer size of the portal. Dwarfing stars right there.

So we have established that the portal
1) was built in Bill's Galaxy.
2) that those fiery orbs are most likely power sources.
3) that you read the part that Bill mentioned the home stars of his Galaxy were being misused for evil purposes.
4) what Solar Systems look like (Did you not know before my link to google...?).

Now....again based on the available evidence, do you think those were Stars?

Yes or no. If no, why so?

I'm not even sure why posting a a completely different portal built on Earth vs. one built in the heart of a Galaxy even bares mentioning. I'm also going to ignore the part where you forget how scale functions in art and the attempted lowballing of those heroes (As if a portal constructed by Surtur's magic wouldn't be a huge asterisk).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
They reached the core of his galaxy. Proof has been shown more than once. What they couldn't go through was the portal. It acted as a barrier and a connection to where Surtur and his demons were located. In a sense they were located in the core of the burning galaxy by way of that portal/barrier.

So they reached the core of the galaxy but didn't?

Isn't that something.

Resides at the core of a galaxy where destroyed stars once stood.
Hotter than Bill and Thor can withstand.
Shown to dwarf nearby celestial bodies including stars.
Harnessed the power of stars.
Described on panel as an "exploding sun".
hmmm..

Except there is no indication that the "exploding sun" and this portal was the same.

And the portal was never described as that big.

And Thor jumped to the other side of the portal.

Maybe Thor jumps at lightspeed too.

facepalm
Odin made no claim like that. He knew Bill and Thor were unable to penetrate the barrier/portal. They destroyed it intead. Odin empowered his ravens to return to the burning galaxy and penetrate the barrier.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gH5nMDB0zmA/Vnp5_cv0JFI/AAAAAAAAX9E/_Supn8P5ojU/s1600-Ic42/RCO010.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CQ0y9sCbh0w/Vnp6ILUUt-I/AAAAAAAAX_8/dxdKqrzGmV0/s1600-Ic42/RCO007.jpg

So posting my own scans and making idiotic claims?

Where Huginn and Munnin went, no stars or planets were there. It was total darkness.

Oh really? Show us the multiple times where Brainiac's ship was shown larger than the sun.

You can show anytime that portal was described as bigger than stars?

Anytime?

He created the sword from star leftovers. Those stars were located at the core of Bill's galaxy. He was beyond the barrier when he was crafting the sword.

That's why when Huginn and Muninn went there, there were no stars, eh?

Continue this. It's entertaining at least.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So we have established that the portal
1) was built in Bill's Galaxy.
2) that those fiery orbs are most likely power sources.
3) that you read the part that Bill mentioned the home stars of his Galaxy were being misused for evil purposes.
4) what Solar Systems look like (Did you not know before my link to google...?).

Now....again based on the available evidence, do you think those were Stars?

This is the most idiotic thing you could've said.

Thor's chariot looks the same size as those "glowing orbs".

That only shows that "the glowing orbs" were shown in background of the scene and you can't judge the size of the portal by that comparison.

Yes or no. If no, why so?

I'm not even sure why posting a a completely different portal built on Earth vs. one built in the heart of a Galaxy even bares mentioning. I'm also going to ignore the part where you forget how scale functions in art and the attempted lowballing of those heroes (As if a portal constructed by Surtur's magic wouldn't be a huge asterisk).

So Surtur randomly creating a far smaller portal as his biggest portal is your reasoning?

No wonder you're stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So they reached the core of the galaxy but didn't?
Isn't that something.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Except there is no indication that the "exploding sun" and this portal was the same.

And the portal was never described as that big.

And Thor jumped to the other side of the portal.

Maybe Thor jumps at lightspeed too.

Thor flew to the other side and jumped off an ftl chariot. You know.. Goats!

Originally posted by abhilegend

So posting my own scans and making idiotic claims?

Where Huginn and Munnin went, no stars or planets were there. It was total darkness.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You can show anytime that portal was described as bigger than stars?
Anytime?

Originally posted by abhilegend

That's why when Huginn and Muninn went there, there were no stars, eh?

Continue this. It's entertaining at least.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Egads...
They reached, but could not penetrate the portal/barrier.
http://imgur.com/KwOlP6o.jpg
http://imgur.com/Dt3Oc8E.jpg

Then they did not reach the core of the galaxy where Surtur was.

It was gigantic and shown to dwarf nearby celestial bodies. Hmm.. An exploding sun should be pretty fukkin big. Bill and Thor could barely withstand the heat. Hmm... An exploding sun should be pretty fukkin hot. Resides at the core of Bill's galaxy where stars once stood. Hmm... A galactic core tend to have big 'ol stars... And didn't Surtut just blow up multiple suns/stars in the very same galactic core? Hmm... I wonder where the description "exploding sun" comes from? I wonder....
Same damn source where the demons were pouring out of. Gateway is destroyed. Demons disappear. My my what a coincidence.

You've failed to show that the portal was an "exploding sun".

You've failed to show Thor or Bill were at the same place where Surtur created twilight.

You've failed to see that Thor and Bill were of the same size as those celestial bodies.

You've failed to provide any description of the Portal being big in any condition.

You've failed as usual.

Thor flew to the other side and jumped off an ftl chariot. You know.. Goats!

No, Thor just jumped to the other side.

https://i.imgur.com/Dt3Oc8E.jpg

Not to mention that the fourth panel actually shows how wide the portal is and its not big.

Because you can't comprehend your own scans. They penetrated whatever barrier it was that separated Bill's home and where the demons were amassing.

So Thor and Bill didn't reach the core of the galaxy where Bill saw the demons come out from an exploding sun, huh?

I knew it. Push comes to shove you can't produce what you claimed. As usual...

The sheer irony.

What?
They were hiding in the shadows of what ever realm that Surter and his demons were gathering.

So now Surtur created twilight in a distant realm instead of the core of the burning galaxy?

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Then they did not reach the core of the galaxy where Surtur was.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You've failed to show that the portal was an "exploding sun".

You've failed to show Thor or Bill were at the same place where Surtur created twilight.

You've failed to see that Thor and Bill were of the same size as those celestial bodies.

You've failed to provide any description of the Portal being big in any condition.

You've failed as usual.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, Thor just jumped to the other side.

https://i.imgur.com/Dt3Oc8E.jpg

Not to mention that the fourth panel actually shows how wide the portal is and its not big.

Fourth panel? Lol... That argument falls flat.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Oh u mean like when Brainiac's ship looked much smaller than earth in some depictions?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5nqFLevcTyk/VCQojxtwtlI/AAAAAAAE9Yg/u29ySrqbvCs/s1600/p34_5%2Bcopy.jpg

Or when sometimes it looked no bigger than a small building?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RvnqcDXa6qA/VCQokLOM7MI/AAAAAAAE9YY/1AopXU23y60/s1600/p34_6%2Bcopy.jpg

Well in that case, then I understand where you're coming from.
😉

Originally posted by abhilegend

So Thor and Bill didn't reach the core of the galaxy where Bill saw the demons come out from an exploding sun, huh?

The sheer irony.

So now Surtur created twilight in a distant realm instead of the core of the burning galaxy?

😂

Lol.. "Brainiac ship shown bigger than the sun"... Can't even produce one scan.

Surtur created twilight from a realm where you can reach through a gateway in the core of Bill's galaxy. Provided of course you have the means of penetrating the barrier.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
😬
They failed to penetrate the barrier located at the core of Bill's galaxy. Really can't help u much further than that. Sad thing is a 5 year old would know this.

So they didn't go to the core of the galaxy. Simple as that.

😂

Yes. By way of chariot.

Fourth panel? Lol... That argument falls flat.

He didn't fly to the other side, he just jumped there.

Yes it does. Hence why I need to post the image.

Fourth panel shows the width of the portal.

No. It was a gigantic gateway located in the core of Bill's galaxy(scan available) where demons were pouring out of(scan available). Btw they reached the core(scan available).

It was a portal but no mention of it being big much less gigantic.

Lol.. "Brainiac ship shown bigger than the sun"... Can't even produce one scan.

I did.

Surtur created twilight from a realm where you can reach through a gateway in the core of Bill's galaxy. Provided of course you have the means of penetrating the barrier.

😂

Surtur created the sword at the core. No realms were ever stated for that.

6 pages in, and Abhil still doesn't know how scales work and the limitations it places on artists. Fourth panel, the portal stretches out ambiguously into the distance. I can pull out a scan from like a year ago, of Superman moving a ship supposedly bigger than Jupiter that looked like the size of a building next to Superman. Walts work was incredibly well done for a writer/artist combo from 30 years ago....

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
6 pages in, and Abhil still doesn't know how scales work and the limitations it places on artists. Fourth panel, the portal stretches out ambiguously into the distance. I can pull out a scan from like a year ago, of Superman moving a ship supposedly bigger than Jupiter that looked like the size of a building next to Superman. Walts work was incredibly well done for a writer/artist combo from 30 years ago....

Sure, why don't you go ahead and do it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
6 pages in, and Abhil still doesn't know how scales work and the limitations it places on artists. Fourth panel, the portal stretches out ambiguously into the distance. I can pull out a scan from like a year ago, of Superman moving a ship supposedly bigger than Jupiter that looked like the size of a building next to Superman. Walts work was incredibly well done for a writer/artist combo from 30 years ago....

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Sure, why don't you go ahead and do it.

Smaller than earth.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZIVC6aXSBg/VCQohLVaE4I/AAAAAAAE9Xo/b8Ue_bVljLk/s1600/p34_33%2Bcopy.jpg

No bigger than a building.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RvnqcDXa6qA/VCQokLOM7MI/AAAAAAAE9YY/1AopXU23y60/s1600/p34_6%2Bcopy.jpg

He's hanging his hat on one maybe two panels of inconsistencies yet he defends multiple pages of glaring inconsistencies... And hasn't shown one scan of B's ship shown bigger than the sun(his claim).
hysterical

Originally posted by abhilegend
ermm

Sure, why don't you go ahead and do it.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Much smaller than earth.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5nqFLevcTyk/VCQojxtwtlI/AAAAAAAE9Yg/u29ySrqbvCs/s1600/p34_5%2Bcopy.jpg

Smaller than earth.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZIVC6aXSBg/VCQohLVaE4I/AAAAAAAE9Xo/b8Ue_bVljLk/s1600/p34_33%2Bcopy.jpg

No bigger than a building.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RvnqcDXa6qA/VCQokLOM7MI/AAAAAAAE9YY/1AopXU23y60/s1600/p34_6%2Bcopy.jpg

He's hanging his hat on one maybe two panels of inconsistencies yet he defends multiple pages of glaring inconsistencies... And hasn't shown one scan of B's ship shown bigger than the sun(his claim).
hysterical

You're being critical of artwork 30 years older than the Superman comic.

Definition of bias.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Much smaller than earth.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5nqFLevcTyk/VCQojxtwtlI/AAAAAAAE9Yg/u29ySrqbvCs/s1600/p34_5%2Bcopy.jpg

Smaller than earth.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZIVC6aXSBg/VCQohLVaE4I/AAAAAAAE9Xo/b8Ue_bVljLk/s1600/p34_33%2Bcopy.jpg

No bigger than a building.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RvnqcDXa6qA/VCQokLOM7MI/AAAAAAAE9YY/1AopXU23y60/s1600/p34_6%2Bcopy.jpg

He's hanging his hat on one maybe two panels of inconsistencies yet he defends multiple pages of glaring inconsistencies... And hasn't shown one scan of B's ship shown bigger than the sun(his claim).
hysterical

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're being critical of artwork 30 years older than the Superman comic.

Definition of bias.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111207460/4362480-superman+moving+brainiacs+ship.jpg

The ship is directly stated to be bigger than the planet.

If you have a single statement saying that the portal is bigger than stars, I will concede right here.

Lol he's kinda got you guys there.

Both sides have weird art with issues around scaling.

Abhi has a direct quote though.

shouldn't you be working on your write up instead of instigating? 😂