Originally posted by beatboks
Given that without that plot protection Hellstrom has defeated hell lords regularly since his creation (at all his power levels), and has been stated to have magic at or above Dr Strange level in print on several occas I ns also (classic Stephen even stated he couldn't counter Daimon's spells) doesnt help Arthur either.
If Strange is out, Hellstrom is out too.
Originally posted by "Id"
Digi can you judge? And no pullout.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Fair point. Digi, can we count on you?
I can judge, sure. Just make sure you don't schedule me too often. Getting a lot of judges is one of the bigger challenges of longer tourneys, but also one of the most important.
And pullouts are for gold diggers. You guys are family. You never pull out on family...
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Originally posted by Supermutant
No my evil plans are undone. Lol Leo brought too much attention with his pick. I'll settle for a big underdog, Princess Diana.
😂
i was actually cursing you for the same reason. felt i had to make my plan known before i wanted to. and diana was very likely to be my next pick!
so i had 17hrs from say 9PM last night, that should give me til 2 PM today i reckon? gotta take my car in to get fixed (my DAD smashed into it while it was parked in my PHUKCING driveway....) but i should still have it in before that deadline. bouncing a couple around in my head.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If Strange is out, Hellstrom is out too.
Ha ha, because Daimon would beat Thor in a straight out battle??
I'm the biggest Hellstrom fan on ANY forum and even I concede that isn't the case. He might trick him but lacks the power to take a head on win.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/daimon-hellstrom-vs-thor-687671/
To prove so even in an equivalent to a BZ with me giving everything i had on Hellstrom
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/beatboks-hellstrom-vs-tgw-thor-winner-1526336/
Thor rightly won.
That wouldnt be the case vs Dr Strange now would it??
Ohh and Adam Warlock without the soul gem has beaten hell lords and hes not Strange level.
Originally posted by beatboks
Ha ha, because Daimon would beat Thor in a straight out battle??
I'm the biggest Hellstrom fan on ANY forum and even I concede that isn't the case. He might trick him but lacks the power to take a head on win.https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/daimon-hellstrom-vs-thor-687671/
To prove so even in an equivalent to a BZ with me giving everything i had on Hellstrom
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/beatboks-hellstrom-vs-tgw-thor-winner-1526336/
Thor rightly won.
That wouldnt be the case vs Dr Strange now would it??
Ohh and Adam Warlock without the soul gem has beaten hell lords and hes not Strange level.
Because as per you, he's above Classic Strange in some cases. If he is below in some cases, that's fine, but overall it seems that he's around that level.
As per you.
So if Strange is out, so is Hellstrom.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because as per you, he's above Classic Strange in some cases. If he is below in some cases, that's fine, but overall it seems that he's around that level.As per you.
So if Strange is out, so is Hellstrom.
I'm sorry where did I say that??
You're quote from (if I'm not mistaken) a Hellstrom vs Aquamam thread where I say it doesn't jelp Arthir amd refer to statements rather than feats (wasnt aware we were accepting unsported statememts now)
Arion has magic on Classic Strange's level and is no where near his equal (let alone "above" him). So do others like Zatanna.
But I'm willimg to DQ Daimon if 3 people conceed he's strange level
Arion wasn't drafted.
Nor was Zatanna.
Hellstrom was.
So was Strange.
Strange was DQed on account of his power levels (or maybe people really hate Cumberbatch).
So what are Hellstroms levels?
Originally posted by beatboks
Loki has more intricate spells yes, but the level of magical power he wields is wield a bit below that wielded by Hellstrom. For example in magic to best Doom he needed intricacy in spellcraft and trickery rather than power. Hellstrom has examples of the level of his power being above that of Strange when SS. For one thing his magic could see through deceptions that Strange himself couldn't without casting counter spells. He was the one in Avengers who could contain Dormammu (admittedly he needed Strange to shield him from Dorm's attacks while he cast the spell) where Strange has failed to do so.
As I said in my post, if Strange is kicked out, so should Hellstrom.
So I think he is Strange level. Supermutant thinks he's Strange level.
YOU think he's above.
So your vote seals it, no?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Arion wasn't drafted.Nor was Zatanna.
Hellstrom was.
So was Strange.
Strange was DQed on account of his power levels (or maybe people really hate Cumberbatch).
So what are Hellstroms levels?
As I said in my post, if Strange is kicked out, so should Hellstrom.
So I think he is Strange level. Supermutant thinks he's Strange level.
YOU think he's above.
So your vote seals it, no?
Examples of having superior semses of Sorcerer Supreme Strange is not the same as being equal or above Classic Strange. If Strange isn't classic but post Classic SS I have no problem with him being allowed. ID also specified Classic Strange.so if its not classic that makes it two votes to remove him stripped.
I've never argued in my life that Daimon is even near classic Strange because no one would buy it. BTW if you recal Classicl was ranked trans tier not any type of herald. Classic Strange would casually bust a dozen Daimon's at their best. But if you want to say Daimon is on the level of someome who breaks the bonds of LT then I'll drop him.
Originally posted by leonidas
after much deliberation, ima take loki. the irony was too great to pass up lol
Lol.
Statements are one thing.
Boksy actively believes Hellstrom is above Strange, which is different from just having lip service statements of power.
Put it this way. He's the only one who actually cares enough about him to know his power level.
And I've quoted his thoughts.