It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.
Originally posted by EmperordmbAren't the alt-right the only side with a 'death count'...? I've heard stories of Antifa attacking people but I don't recall the equivalent of mowing down peaceful protesters with a car as in Charlottesville. And I honestly think the scale of the Antifa problem is exaggerated by online personalities.
It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.
There is also the normalization of Antifa. Neo nazis are bad, but Antifa..well, they're just fighting fascists, I swear!
600 grand for security for a Ben Shapiro speech. A year and a half earlier he spoke at the same place and it didn't cost any security money. What changed?
Originally posted by Robtard
Stopping speakers, even silly edge lords like Shapiro is stupid imo, if they're invited to an event, let them speak. But are we really going to compare that with murder? SMH.
Nobody compared it to murder, but Rob you have to admit murder is not necessarily needed to commit an act of terror.
The keyword is terror. They want to SCARE you into thinking like they do. They have said they use fear as a weapon. These people are terrorists Rob.
Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody compared it to murder, but Rob you have to admit murder is not necessarily needed to commit an act of terror.The keyword is terror. They want to SCARE you into thinking like they do. They have said they use fear as a weapon. These people are terrorists Rob.
Originally posted by Surtur
When did I say it's as bad as murder? I said they are frickin terrorists.
Your entire exchange on the last page was you trying to equalize Antifa with outright murderers. You did the same in the Charlotsville thread (where this started for you)
Yes, Antifa are labeled "terrorist", but not all terrorist are equal. Some terrorist throw mean words and water-balloons, other's punch you in the face, other's mow you down with a car and others bring buildings down.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your entire exchange on the last page was you trying to equalize Antifa with outright murderers. You did the same in the Charlotsville thread (where this started for you)Yes, Antifa are labeled "terrorist", but not all terrorist are equal. Some terrorist throw mean words and water-balloons, other's punch you in the face, other's mow you down with a car and others bring buildings down.
Lol nobody said all terrorists are equal. But they are terrorists. At least you acknowledged that.
Do you believe the worst thing Antifa has done is hurl mean words and water balloons? Serious question.
Originally posted by cdtm
This is pretty much what I was trying to say.If you want to go under the R or the D label, have at it. It's the "No enemies on our side" philosophy I can't stand, even if that enemy tramples on a fundamental key issue.
I mean, sure, no one wants their side to look bad. But taking a principled stance isn't bad, imo. It shows you actually give a crap about the things you claim to care about when it hurts the other team.
Selective outrage just looks like you care more about image then substance.
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That last line is particularly poignant. While many wouldn't admit it, they do. And you and I do too. We all do it; there are just varying levels of self-awareness about it. But it's a hard tendency to overcome.
Originally posted by BackFire
Outstanding points. My dick is hard from reading this.
Happy to help. I hope you'll think of me the next time you're playing some pocket pool.
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Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough, my bad there. Mean that with sincerity. Seemed for a second you were equalizing both like Surtur has done and continues to do.
One certainly has a higher killcount, but the other has a higher incidence of politically motivated violence and fear tactics as well as a wider spread effect in obstructing political dialogue.
I don't think it's fair to declare one side as far and away worse than the other based on analysis of a single variable.
Originally posted by EmperordmbEh, they still haven't killed people. And they aren't racist, at least. So on those two facts alone, they hold at least a small high ground. But I'd agree that both factions are representative of extreme ideologies that aren't at all compatible with liberal democracy. In that sense, they both should be condemned, but the severity of what they have done should be kept in mind.
I don't really think a movement largely composite of far-lefties like communists, socialists, and anarchists is really less extreme or holds moral high ground over the alt-right tbh.