Originally posted by Firefly218
Dude, I'm in conservative Texas. There's of course liberals in every college, but there's A LOT of conservatives here too... Not everything is a caricature stereotype like you think it is. I, as a loony liberal, agree that the pronoun stuff goes too far and punching nazis is stupid and reckless.
LOL!!!!!
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Considering your insistince a mere week ago in another thread that we acknowledge the existence of left-wing extremists, despite there only being 1 (one) incident of left-wing terrorism in recent memory, your plea for impartiality now rings disingenuous.You don't want to believe it, and that's okay, but right-wing terrorism is the most prolific form of terrorism that happens in America by the numbers. Not Islamic terrorism terrorism, not left-wing terrorism. Right-wing terrorism. Therefore a dialogue on the rising tendency of conservatives chimping out needs to be had.
Solid and concise post/points, Tz. But I disagree on the "that's okay" sentiment. It's his right to ignore the facts concerning right-wing terrorism, but it should never be accepted as normal behavior/beliefs.
eg Some people deny the Holocaust happened. Some people think the Earth is hollow. That's their right to believe that; but we should never accept those beliefs as being okay; there's both retarded beliefs and the former is potentially harmful in the long run.
Originally posted by Robtard👆
Solid and concise post/points, Tz. But I disagree on the "that's okay" sentiment. It's his right to ignore the facts concerning right-wing terrorism, but it should never be accepted as normal behavior/beliefs.eg Some people deny the Holocaust happened. Some people think the Earth is hollow. That's their right to believe that; but we should never accept those beliefs as being okay; there's both retarded beliefs and the former is potentially harmful in the long run.
Freedom of thought is all or nothing. You need to accept all the good AND the bad that comes with it.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Considering your insistince a mere week ago in another thread that we acknowledge the existence of left-wing extremists, despite there only being 1 (one) incident of left-wing terrorism in recent memory, your plea for impartiality now rings disingenuous.You don't want to believe it, and that's okay, but right-wing terrorism is the most prolific form of terrorism that happens in America by the numbers. Not Islamic terrorism terrorism, not left-wing terrorism. Right-wing terrorism. Therefore a dialogue on the rising tendency of conservatives chimping out needs to be had.
Originally posted by Robtard
Solid and concise post/points, Tz. But I disagree on the "that's okay" sentiment. It's his right to ignore the facts concerning right-wing terrorism, but it should never be accepted as normal behavior/beliefs.eg Some people deny the Holocaust happened. Some people think the Earth is hollow. That's their right to believe that; but we should never accept those beliefs as being okay; there's both retarded beliefs and the former is potentially harmful in the long run.
But you're both creating a strawman here. I didn't say nonlethal violence was equivalent to murder, I said that's not the only metric the two should be compared on if you are to compare them.
If you look back in my posts in question, I said there are more acts of political violence from the far left, but freely conceded that the acts of political violence from the far right are more egregious, and I don't believe I made a definitive claim that one side was worse than the other or that they were both equivalent.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's not enough to simply compare death counts, you have to compare the scale of the problems. Sure the alt-right has a larger death count, however the frequency with which Antifa employs the use of terrorist tactics to attempt to obstruct speakers is noticeably more commonplace than whatever terroristic behavior comes out of the alt-right.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm not equalizing murder with vandalism and non-lethal violent action, the alt-right has a higher kill-count but I'm saying that given Antifa's greater propensity for largescale political violence and mobbing in general it's not fair to compare the two along only one metric. Due to antifa's largescale political violence political speech on college campuses has become noticeably more obstructed due to concerns of violent mobs for even relatively moderate speakers like Ben Shapiro who aren't even advocating for racism or fascism, which has lead to these events being obstructed through either violent destruction, the heckler's veto, the onus placed upon organizations to raise an inordinate amount of money for security, etc.One certainly has a higher killcount, but the other has a higher incidence of politically motivated violence and fear tactics as well as a wider spread effect in obstructing political dialogue.
Let me repeat that, I freely conceded that the far right has a higher kill count, which is what you are both accusing me of denying and pretending wasn't the case. I'm not denying any facts, or pretending that the far right doesn't have a higher kill count.
And I'm saying the same thing to the right-wingers here I said to the left-wingers in that thread. If this terrorist is a far right terrorist, then they should admit it, accept it, and disavow it.
The reason why I made this post is because I find it absurd that people on the left and right here seem to think they can score points or will somehow have the validity of their political views impugned based on far right or far left bullshit, despite none of those things being in line with most left and right wing KMC posters' political principles.
If you are going to respond to me again, please do your best to not strawman me and accuse me of denying things I didn't deny because I don't appreciate having my arguments and stances misrepresented. If you're going to try and compare me to a flat-earther, at least try and be intellectually honest while you do so.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
but deflecting from american politics to south africa? didn't see that one coming kinda
Not too sure how honest you're being (not at all). Firefly clearly talked about "white people" and terrorist, especially the brown ones he's mentioning, are mostly NOT acting in the US.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The problem leftists are trying to point out is that if you’re White you don’t get generalized with these white terrorists. But if you’re brown, you DO get generalized with ISIS or whatever.White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people. If a white guy sees the Stoneman Douglas shooter on the news, he can just say that guy’s a crazy and not identify with him. If a brown Muslim guy sees the Orlando shooter on the news, he is automatically identified in the same group as the shooter and has to now defend his autonomy.
I know it's tough for you to stop being a raging, condescending, libtard for even a single post, but you could at least try a tiny tiny bit.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Considering your insistince a mere week ago in another thread that we acknowledge the existence of left-wing extremists, despite there only being 1 (one) incident of left-wing terrorism in recent memory, your plea for impartiality now rings disingenuous.You don't want to believe it, and that's okay, but right-wing terrorism is the most prolific form of terrorism that happens in America by the numbers. Not Islamic terrorism terrorism, not left-wing terrorism. Right-wing terrorism. Therefore a dialogue on the rising tendency of conservatives chimping out needs to be had.
Right-wing terrorism is also Islamic terrorism, good sir. It's all right-wing motivated terrorism. Don't tell the Evangelicals: they will shit their pants knowing that their aunt who is protesting at the abortion clinic and throwing eggs at the young women coming out are, from a political science perspective, "conservative right-wingers the same as Islamic Terrorists."
Originally posted by dadudemonWhat in God’s name are you talking about? Racial dynamics are not the same in every country. If ISIS beheads a journalist in Iraq, that has a unique effect on brown people in America. And the role of white people I was discussing is very specific to America. But apologies if the exclusion of that foregone detail confused your powerful mind lol. Also notice how each example I gave referred to events being acted in America and how the title of this thread acts in America.
Not too sure how honest you're being (not at all). Firefly clearly talked about "white people" and terrorist, especially the brown ones he's mentioning, are mostly NOT acting in the US.
Now to be fair, I don’t think the South Africa guy was deflecting and seems sensible so nothing against him
Originally posted by dadudemonIt’s a special kind of irony when you tell others to stop being condescending while simultaneously being condescending yourself. Good job on that
I know it's tough for you to stop being a raging, condescending, libtard for even a single post, but you could at least try a tiny tiny bit.
i disagree about the africa deflection. context matters, and we shouldn't need to emphasize "america this" and "america that" when the context of the entire discussion is within american politics. too many derailments via dutiful and deliberate nitpicking and pettifogging. i don't think it's much different in mentality than dismissing someone's point because they made a typo.
Originally posted by NephthysHe didn't reveal any motivations for his crimes or any sort of political message, so I'm not sure how it could be considered terrorism.
Apparently the guy left a 20 minute confession video. He was indeed a right wing white guy, so he's now just a "very challenged young man" and is definitely not a terrorist.