@Firefly
Let me get this straight:
You say:
Originally posted by Firefly218
White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people.
But when ppl point out an instance where white people are indeed being asked to be held accountable for the actions of other white people, you say it’s different somehow? Or is it ok somehow?
Kindly clarify your stance pls.
Yeah. Most white people are not white supremacists and most brown people are not religious extremists. It’s the same thing.
If you say that all these terrorists are Islamic, it can also be said that all these white supremacists are Christian...
And as far as White people being accountable for slavery, that was a societal thing. Everyone in American White society collectively decided and agreed to enslave black people and treat them gruesomely like property.And then white people just released black people and absolved themselves of any crimes and any horrible things they did. Nothing was a crime, let’s all just move on. What are black people supposed to do, just be grateful and quietly move along? Black people should be flying planes into towers, but they’re not. Instead they’re kneeling during the national anthem, and we still have mad White people.
It is not justified to associate me with Jim Crow or Slavery or historic injustice just because I'm white, because I was not a part of or alive for any of those events, nobody alive today was alive when Slavery was a thing in America, and my white parents in their 50s and 60s were children when Jim Crow was abolished, and they raised me not to judge individuals based on their race. White people such as me or my parents don't need to absolve ourselves of slavery or Jim Crow because we didn't do those "crimes and horrible things."
I don't expect black people to just ignore what people who actually perpetrated injustice did, but I expect them to not resent white people who had nothing to do with those things just because the people who did happened to bare the same skin color. If you ask me, that's a pretty reasonable expectation.
Originally posted by EmperordmbI never said today’s American white people deserve the burden of guilt for slavery, they obviously don’t. I was trying to look at it from a black person’s perspective.
I'm still trying to work through my head that Firefly is saying it's wrong to ascribe collective guilt to all Muslims for terrorism, and yet he evidently thinks it's justified to place the burden of guilt for slavery on all white people.
Here’s an example that is far away. The Jews were horribly abused right? But they were given a Hitler. A single villain upon whom all the evil coalesces, he’s the guy who spearheaded the Jewish genocide. And the Jewish retribution is that Hitler lost, Hitler died, Hitler and his Nazi goons are seen as the epitome of evil, no baby will ever be named Adolph and no man will ever grow that type of mustache. Even today, anyone that is found to have been a Nazi during WW2 is immediately arrested and sentenced for their crimes in court.
Black people don’t have a Hitler. When they were freed, their enslavers were an entire society that absolved itself of any crimes and simply moved on from them.
Jews were able to move on and are able to be okay with Germans because they got their retribution. The only thing White people can do today for Black retribution is support Black people and not be racist. Is that so much to ask?
The only thing White people can do today for Black retribution is support Black people and not be racist. Is that so much to ask?
Originally posted by EmperordmbBut support Black people when their is injustice being done by your own people. Kneel with them and be an ally. That’s how we can all move on.
Yeah, I'm not a racist, I'll support everyone's rights, treat people with respect until they give me a reason not to, and support them as individuals beyond that where I see merit. I'm not going to give black people any more support than I give anyone else just on account of their race though.
Originally posted by EmperordmbI know you’re trying hard to be color blind and that’s a noble thought, but it doesn’t work when there’s still systemic racism going on.
I'll support anyone when injustice is being done to them.I'm not going to kneel for the national anthem though if that's what you're asking me to do.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The problem leftists are trying to point out is that if you’re White you don’t get generalized with these white terrorists. But if you’re brown, you DO get generalized with ISIS or whatever.White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people. If a white guy sees the Stoneman Douglas shooter on the news, he can just say that guy’s a crazy and not identify with him. If a brown Muslim guy sees the Orlando shooter on the news, he is automatically identified in the same group as the shooter and has to now defend his autonomy.
^ This guy, just had a huge BINGO
eg There's been many a sentiment on KMC where Muslims as a whole are seemingly responsible for the terrorist acts of the few, even when it's pointed out that Muslims do speak out against Islamic terrorist and that Muslims are the majority of the time the victims of Islamic terrorism themselves, they're all somehow still responsible.
Originally posted by Firefly 218
The problem leftists are trying to point out is that if you’re White you don’t get generalized with these white terrorists. But if you’re brown, you DO get generalized with ISIS or whatever.White people historically haven’t had to answer for the actions of other white people. If a white guy sees the Stoneman Douglas shooter on the news, he can just say that guy’s a crazy and not identify with him. If a brown Muslim guy sees the Orlando shooter on the news, he is automatically identified in the same group as the shooter and has to now defend his autonomy.
Originally posted by Firefly218
My professors don’t tell me anything about genders lol, they tell me how to query databases and construct entity relationship diagrams.This just shows how brainwashed you are against education and “liberal” colleges by your orange leader
Lol oh Firefly..irony overload here.
Originally posted by SurturDude, I'm in conservative Texas. There's of course liberals in every college, but there's A LOT of conservatives here too... Not everything is a caricature stereotype like you think it is. I, as a loony liberal, agree that the pronoun stuff goes too far and punching nazis is stupid and reckless.
Lol oh Firefly..irony overload here.
Originally posted by EmperordmbConsidering your insistince a mere week ago in another thread that we acknowledge the existence of left-wing extremists, despite there only being 1 (one) incident of left-wing terrorism in recent memory, your plea for impartiality now rings disingenuous.
And yet people will inevitably go back and forth with each other over this anyways, and if it's an alt-right person the leftists will treat it like some "HA GOTCHA" moment... even though most of the righties here don't hold the views emblematic of the alt-right. And yet for some reason some of the righties will play into the gotcha moment, get all defensive and Flytractor will probably post something about the leftist fascists or whatever.Like holy ****, right-wingers who aren't alt-right... just disavow this shit openly and clearly. It's antithetical to your principles, and they are acting out of principles and values that are not your own so conceding their horseshit doesn't in anyway cast an intellectually honest aspersion on your own political beliefs just because you happen to be on the same wing as them.
And lefties, when Surtur or I or someone else posts a story about some regressive bullshit happening becuz "muh political correctness" (such as a professor saying all white people are racist, or a dude being sentenced over a joke, or antifa using politically motivated violence), ****ing disavow that shit too if you don't agree with it on principle. Disavowing it isn't giving into some "gotcha" moment by the right-wingers, because there's nothing to get you on if you clarify that it's not your principles that are being acted out just because you happen to be on the same political wing.
Like this shit is annoying, can people just admit to the bad shit on their political wing and recognize for themselves and people on the other political wing that their wing having regressive ***** on it isn't a reflection of everyone on that political wing when some people on that political wing don't share the same regressive principles the alt-right or regressive left have?
You don't want to believe it, and that's okay, but right-wing terrorism is the most prolific form of terrorism that happens in America by the numbers. Not Islamic terrorism terrorism, not left-wing terrorism. Right-wing terrorism. Therefore a dialogue on the rising tendency of conservatives chimping out needs to be had.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Dude, I'm in conservative Texas. There's of course liberals in every college, but there's A LOT of conservatives here too... Not everything is a caricature stereotype like you think it is. I, as a loony liberal, agree that the pronoun stuff goes too far and punching nazis is stupid and reckless.
I believe you.