Surfer or Mjlonir

Started by One Big Mob8 pages

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Isn’t Mjolnir more durable than raw uru? I was always under the iimpression that Odin’s enchantment makes Mjolnir more durable than ordinary uru and Ordinary uru is what was forged with the enchantment coming after. Asgard has several uru weapons.
That was the thought of the old origin. If we adapt the origin to the new one, it means the whole thing is more durable. Actually I don't even remember what the old origin is anymore. That retcon ruined my enjoyment of the old canon and makes me only want it back

But we're simply going by what was said in the retcon, which hasn't exactly been expanded upon, hence the confusion.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That was the thought of the old origin. If we adapt the origin to the new one, it means the whole thing is more durable. Actually I don't even remember what the old origin is anymore. That retcon ruined my enjoyment of the old canon and makes me only want it back

But we're simply going by what was said in the retcon, which hasn't exactly been expanded upon, hence the confusion.

I don’t see the retcon contradicting the old canon.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You have nothing to offer to this conversation.

Piss off Ghost!


Oh yes I do. I will like nothing more than break you and bran once more but I'm more content seeing you make a fool of yourself.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
lol at meltdown. When you keep mentioning I post too much on average, does that mean I always have a meltdown or something? The amount of projecting here. You're the one who came at me like I was saying the worst shit ever, instead of just trying to talk about it. You came into the thread like you just got ****ed up the ass out of nowhere.

I am glad you calmed down a little though, because your current post is admittedly better, though not good. You must have rinsed all the jizz out of your ass and composed yourself a little more.

When I have repeatedly quoted myself of things clarified of things you accused me of, yeah, that's called context. It's also the reason why you stopped trying to straw man me outside one occasion because you realized how stupid you were acting.

And no, I hope you do read it. It actually forced you to read some of my post and think about it before responding. That's called learning, something I thought you incapable of.

How the absolute **** do you think my first post was an argument, and how do you think the Mother Storm was the main point? It was literally what you keep trying to make fun of me for you dunce.

This is not a fully fledged argument hinging on one thing

Know what the **** you're talking about.

And yes, since you're still somehow way too stupid to get it, it means it shouldn't happen. I've explained my position enough that I actually hope you straw man me again on this. It would prove how big of a retard you are.

At last, something to actually talk about. Why the **** didn't you begin with this instead of getting your panties in a knot? We would have actually had a good discussion without the insults had you not came at me like a scorned baby.

I'll preface my argument since I know you'll have issues with it, and will respond, which will help me clarify more. If you want to start over with the argument, stow the insults, I will be more than glad to only speak of this section, since the rest of the argument has been downright awful, and has been a series of straw mans and nothing besides this. If not, that's fine too... though I do actually want to speak of this.

I don't think I've actually spoken about the new forging of the hammer anywhere to a degree besides one snippet, and would like some back in forth in relation to each other.

There is a vast difference between forging it and breaking it. And it also burnt out a sun within a day and took 17 days and hundreds of dwarves to forge it. It made it malleable enough to work, it did not shatter it, even though it was incredibly hot. And heat, seems to be the key weakness in all these talks of the sun and destroying the hammer. Something that it has faced before, but not something I'm too keen of making these sorts of can or can't do arguments, especially with what is possibly coming up.

So, as we saw, you need incredible heat to forge it. If we assume the Uru was durable enough contain the God Tempest, it would mean that the heat of a full stars life cycle contains more heat than the God Tempest. Which is entirely possible, considering it was the winds that blew out stars. The lightning bolts, while powerful apparently aren't hot enough to break it down. What it does do is prove that the power within the hammer is apparently star level or can effect stars (as we saw previously), but it doesn't prove the heat on its own, which is why it is important to to pair it with other feats of that ilk (like actually entering stars). You've misinterpreted my stance to mean this feat on its own is enough to prove stars can't do anything, when I've said this:

"I wasn't even using it as that great of a feat. I was just using it to [b]flow into it being able to handle going into a sun..."

It's relevant to star stuff, again. So that's an explanation for that, especially when the magics were never said to protect the Uru, again. You're jumping to conclusions just because the presence of magic helped trap something within a rock. Just because a star can help forge it, does not mean that the magic is protecting the Uru from the God Tempest, and even if, why would this not extend to other forms of energy? The magic only protects the hammer all over the place from its own power, but it does nothing for any other form of energy? Is this also the argument?

It wasn't said anywhere it protected the Uru.

Now we'll get onto the Uru in that arc. It was said to be unbreakable, or virtually unbreakable in this arc.

https://imgur.com/MBJAJhl
https://imgur.com/HDdN4PA

It would be weird to put such emphasis on this, without actually saying the magic protects the Uru, and not have us assume that Uru is actually the thing that's keeping it together. Like Rage said here:

Oh God, you actually made a decent point just above this, why would you revert back to this shit?

I literally explain this concept more in depth down below. Plus in the section you're speaking of, my argument is under the pretense that the Uru's durability is protecting it from the raging storm that seems to give the hammer a mind of its own. So yes, the raging sentient being inside the hammer would be relevant.

Also, I have no doubts that the unbreakable hammer could withstand the God Tempest had it been outsíde the hammer as well, which is a stark difference in those characters. They have special avenues to release this power, they aren't just "unbreakable" hammers all over the place. [/B]


So bran, let's have a little chat, shall we?

Odin (who is more powerful than the mother storm) shit himself when it was shown that Asgardia was colliding with sun.

Mangog (who is explicitly more powerful than Odin, Phoenix or Destroyer who has been stated to be more durable than mjolnir) burns in the sun.

The writer more or less confirmed that mjolnir is destroyed and even had Odinson say that it was killed.

But I guess all of these are nothing compared to your knowledge, eh?

If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.


Sure. And Aaron will have Odin be the wise and benevolent god of gods he once was.

And pigs will fly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

Bran and rage ignore context to prop up Thor. Who would've guessed?

You should read the whole discussion. It is quite possibly the most hilarious shit I've ever seen.

Look specifically for Bran trying to say Mjolnir is durable because Mother Storm came out of it to stop that supernova.

Or look at his last post, to see him saying that Mother Storm can't break Uru because her power of "snuffing out suns and thunder that makes black holes tremble" are just "weather stuff" and you'd need just the "heat" of one sun to do so, which she is obviously not capable of replicating.

I rarely have seen someone say something so stupid, but the whole discussion was worth it, just to put him in the corner and bring him to the point where he looks like an idiot.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

Not only that, but it makes Thor look like an a$$hole drama queen. Why yell "you killed Mjolnir!" if nothing happened to the hammer? It comes off as Thor trying to steal the thunder (so to speak) from Jane's crowning achievement just before she dies of cancer.

😘

Originally posted by Damborgson
If Mjolnir comes racing out of the sun next month, the effort it will take to get peoples feet out of their own mouths...

This reminds me of the shit storm that started when Hulk,had "lifted" Mjolnir in indestructible Hulk.

👆. I will go on record right now and say, let's see what happens next.

Still fun to ask the questions though. But Mjolnir may well still be around.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
See my earlier post. You...just made that up? Post a scan? Because everyone thought the Motherstorm was dead but Jane released it, it was instantly recognized and spanned a Galaxy...

Read Thor #12. A Star died just heating the metal enough so it could be hammered into shape. And even, then, it took the efforts of all the dwarves and seventeen days; the metal resisted the entire process. Even after the Star died, raw uru was almost impossible to forge. And that was before the enchantment.

Again, a Star died just to heat the metal to be shaped slightly. You could leave Mjolnir in the Sun until it dies and it wouldn't be scruffed.

Thats the irony of all this is, Aaron's own retcon makes Mjolnir far more durable and special in origin outside of it being Thor's hammer.

Because I read Aaron's run from start to finish? Aaron has a plot point where Thor has a headquarters in the heart of the Sun as a cosmic cop. Ultimate Mjolnir survived the destruction of the Universe as the walls of creation fell around it. I think it's pretty clear that for this Mangog story line to make sense, we have to basically ignore everything else.

The shit is stupid. How does Dwarves use a star to forge a hammer? Did they teleport inside the star and work on the hammer?
Did they teleport a small portion of the star to their forge in Asgard and use it to heat Mjolnir?

Originally posted by h1a8
The shit is stupid. How does Dwarves use a star to forge a hammer? Did they teleport inside the star and work on the hammer?
Did they teleport a small portion of the star to their forge in Asgard and use it to heat Mjolnir?

Keep in mind, dwarves usually have their hands full fighting trolls like Ulik. Trolls must be galaxy busters or something.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
If Mjolnir stays in the sun long enough, wouldn't be surprised if it breaks. No one in their right mind would want to stay in that thing for a prolonged period of time.

But based on its history, it would be a bit "weird" just to reiterate the prevailing thought here. At least I think that's the prevailing thought.
The strawmanning is crazee though. Sniper style. Lotsa hurt feelings.

the funny thing is they used a CHAIN to hook the star and pull it down. whatever metal they forged the chain and hook out of must have been pretty strong too. 👆

then the whole pulling down a star, and fitting it into a forge...

yeah, pretty sure it is intended to sound, you know, "mythological" and was not intended to be looked at in the way we are. 😂

i did like that book though and it even specifically said PART of the story that is often forgotten regards mother storm, and specifically states there are many stories told about the hammer's creation. i think aaron went out of his way to NOT suggest he was changing the origin--he was simply adding one more level of story to it. he hints there are other layers that may still be hidden as well.

personally, i don't think any of the "new origin" was intended to be taken as factual, but hey, what good does that view hold in terms of discussion and arguing... /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆. I will go on record right now and say, let's see what happens next.

Still fun to ask the questions though. But Mjolnir may well still be around.

totally agree

I don’t think Mjolnir is completely destroyed. I do think the dwarfmanship is undone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So bran, let's have a little chat, shall we?

Odin (who is more powerful than the mother storm) shit himself when it was shown that Asgardia was colliding with sun.

Just sayin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So bran, let's have a little chat, shall we?

Odin (who is more powerful than the mother storm) shit himself when it was shown that Asgardia was colliding with sun.

You literally just made that up. Scans please.

The MotherStorm in the same comic that Odin defeated it:
https://postimg.org/image/luz40bvln/

"Its winds blew comets, off course, ripped worlds from their orbit, and snuffed out Stars like flickering Candles. Its lightning left clouds of dust where once where moons. Its thunder made even black holes tremble."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mangog (who is explicitly more powerful than Odin, Phoenix or Destroyer who has been stated to be more durable than mjolnir) burns in the sun.

Mangog is not more durable than Mjolnir.

Your logic also falls apart terribly when you realize you're implying that not only Odin, but the Phoenix would be destroyed by the Sun. The Phoenix's call to fame is that it is a giant cosmic fire bird that eats Stars and planets...

Mangog getting his outer layer singed does not mean the Sun destroyed him btw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The writer more or less confirmed that mjolnir is destroyed

You literally just made that up.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Just sayin.

Sad that he had to touch on that.....

No one gave a shit about the Sun. The danger wasn't that Asgardia was falling into the Sun. The danger was that Asgardia was falling into the Sun while Mangog was rampaging.

I just realized this is pointless. The Superman brigade will run with this because it is in their nature to care more about other characters than any other faction I've ever encountered on forums.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Just sayin.


I’m not afraid of the sun despite the fact it will disintegrate me 😄

@xJLxKingx

I don't think it was clearly shown or stated that they were "afraid" of the sun. Don't get me wrong since the sun is still the sun. It's really phukkin hot and has been portrayed to hurt extremely powerful individuals in this medium.

Aaron was a bit wishy washy and confusing at times.
Too many things were going on in the fight. There were many factors that added gravity to the sun. There were less powerful Asgardians that were in danger, Asgardia would be destroyed(no one would want to stick around for that), Odin and crew were beat the phuk down to shiet(Mango is a beast), Odin is a jack@$$ and seems lesser, etc...

But as for the main players, Mango and Odinson were not really concerned with the sun in respect to their safety.
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1nL5Cd2Nl4g/WrMtDcM4NYI/AAAAAAABOII/P_EmgWTGmU8A-LYffaJeM3LXXMwNVJQqACLcBGAs/s1600/092_0014.jpg

It took a silly plot device(gleipnir) since we saw Mango leap from the sun after his first bathing to finally stop him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You literally just made that up. Scans please.

The MotherStorm in the same comic that Odin defeated it:
https://postimg.org/image/luz40bvln/

"Its winds blew comets, off course, ripped worlds from their orbit, and snuffed out [b]Stars like flickering Candles. Its lightning left clouds of dust where once where moons. Its thunder made even black holes tremble."

I made what? Odin wasn't more powerful than Mother Storm?

Mangog is not more durable than Mjolnir.

Destroyer is and Mangog chewed him up like nothing.

Your logic also falls apart terribly when you realize you're implying that not only Odin, but the Phoenix would be destroyed by the Sun. The Phoenix's call to fame is that it is a giant cosmic fire bird that eats Stars and planets...

Circular logic, eh?

So somehow Mangog is not stated to be more powerful than Odin and Phoenix?

Mangog getting his outer layer singed does not mean the Sun destroyed him btw.

Nobody said it did. But getting burned in the sun is hardly something more powerful than Odin should do.

You literally just made that up. [/B]

He literally says that sun is not a comfy place for even mjolnir. What do you think that means?