DCEU Justice League vs. AOS/Inhumans

Originally posted by Darth Thor
My point was, even without that knowledge, if WW or Aquaman goes to punch her, she wont dodge it because after her speed thing she will be right back where she started right?

It then wouldnt take long for the team to figure out her weakness, assuming she evades those first punches. In fact Flash would likely see her move back to her starting point.

The yo-yo trick usually works against regular humans. I dont remember her KOing anyone particularly superhumanly strong in her the middle of her Yo-Yo effect. I might not be remembering a few instances though.

Just because Yo-Yo goes back to her original position doesn't mean that her body needs to be positioned in the exact same way. She can easily just bend her torso or lean back a bit to evade a punch or hit. Besides, as per the last few episodes of AoS she doesn't even seem to follow this stipulation anymore since there were a few scenes where she didn't go back to her starting position.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Just because Yo-Yo goes back to her original position doesn't mean that her body needs to be positioned in the exact same way. She can easily just bend her torso or lean back a bit to evade a punch or hit. Besides, as per the last few episodes of AoS she doesn't even seem to follow this stipulation anymore since there were a few scenes where she didn't go back to her starting position.

Is there any examples of that? As far as I knew her superspeed works with the Yo-Yo effect.

In the U.K. so I’m only on the first few episodes of the latest season so don’t know about that.

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_JsHi8A2EM

From 0:38 to 0:53, you'll see Yo-Yo's hand position different everytime she zips back into place. At one point she's holding a gun out, the next time she zips back her hands are already at her side.

Actually if you watch the entire video, you'll find lots of examples of yo-yo zipping back into place with a different position from what she had when she started moving.

Seeing as Darth Thor seemingly can't be bothered to watch the clip I have posted and pointed out twice, once in a direct response to him:

Here is Yo-Yo coming into the one scene. Notice the speed trail/after images clearly leading up the stairs and out of the room:

This is where she stops after she is done. Well within the room, with the earlier stairs clearly in the background:

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I literally told you that I can't give you a specific number on her

Originally posted by NemeBro
Then on what grounds can you claim to know she is much faster than Wonder Woman in combat?

Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh.

Yes, the clips I posted show Yo-Yo moving so fast that the world (even airborne people) is frozen from her perspective. I don't recall any instance of Wonder Woman moving that fast. NemeBro also failed to post any, even though I asked in my last response to him. It's also telling that he still has yet to say anything about Relentless1, the person who made the original claim and has yet to post a single feat for Wonder Woman. Hell, as far as I can tell, you and I are the only ones who have posted any feats so far.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because she has way better speed feats than WW. Duh.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, the clips I posted show Yo-Yo moving so fast that the world (even airborne people) is frozen from her perspective. I don't recall any instance of Wonder Woman moving that fast.

How fast would she have to be going to perform those feats? If you don't know how fast she is actually moving, how can you compare them to another character? Do you even know how fast Diana is?

NemeBro also failed to post any, even though I asked in my last response to him.

I don't have to post a thing my friend. I haven't made a single claim. Claims require evidence. If I've not made one, why must I post some?

You also seem to have a pretty erroneous idea of what the burden of proof entails my friend. The burden of proof is on you, because you're making a claim. The claim that Yo-Yo is much faster than Diana. That relentless1 made a claim that he didn't back up with proof first is completely irrelevant to whether or not you have proven your own claim.

I'm asking you to substantiate that claim by providing something that quantifies their relative speeds. That's all.

It's also telling that he still has yet to say anything about Relentless1, the person who made the original claim and has yet to post a single feat for Wonder Woman.

Who has yet to post a single thing since his original post (not counting the braindead one where he didn't read the OP and thought Superman was here). Why would I post to him? All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws in your debating and telling you ways you could improve. Is that so bad?

Hell, as far as I can tell, you and I are the only ones who have posted any feats so far.

Posting feats is not necessarily synonymous with substantiating your claims. You've substantiated them a little better than relentless1 sure, but your argument still isn't particularly convincing in of itself.

Oh, and I know who literally no one on team 2 is. I'm on neither side of this debate.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This is circular reasoning my friend.

stomp....flash can take out all of them in less than a second

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
stomp....flash can take out all of them in less than a second

No, he gets beaten up by Yo-yo. Not saying AOS wins, but Flash is not blitzing anyone when he has to contend with a more experienced speedster on the other team.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, he gets beaten up by Yo-yo. Not saying AOS wins, but Flash is not blitzing anyone when he has to contend with a more experienced speedster on the other team.

Look at his registration date, he's obviously a sock account.

Originally posted by NemeBro
How fast would she have to be going to perform those feats? If you don't know how fast she is actually moving, how can you compare them to another character? Do you even know how fast Diana is?

I don't have to post a thing my friend. I haven't made a single claim. Claims require evidence. If I've not made one, why must I post some?

You also seem to have a pretty erroneous idea of what the burden of proof entails my friend. The burden of proof is on you, because you're making a claim. The claim that Yo-Yo is much faster than Diana. That relentless1 made a claim that he didn't back up with proof first is completely irrelevant to whether or not you have proven your own claim.

I'm asking you to substantiate that claim by providing something that quantifies their relative speeds. That's all.

Who has yet to post a single thing since his original post (not counting the braindead one where he didn't read the OP and thought Superman was here). Why would I post to him? All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws in your debating and telling you ways you could improve. Is that so bad?

Posting feats is not necessarily synonymous with substantiating your claims. You've substantiated them a little better than relentless1 sure, but your argument still isn't particularly convincing in of itself.

Oh, and I know who literally no one on team 2 is. I'm on neither side of this debate.

You don't always need a specific number to know who is faster. Sometimes there are enough visual cues. Just like Fox vs MCU Quicksilver. You don't need to compare exact numbers to know one is clearly a notable degree faster than the other one. There are other indicators that give you the info. It's the same case here. Wonder Woman has no feats where she is moving so fast that the world appears to have completely stopped around her. Yo-Yo? She does it routinely. Flash and Superman? Yes, we see that in Justice League. Wonder Woman? Nope.

No one else who has actually watched AoS has any issue with my speed assessment, even Darth Thor, who was arguing against Yo-Yo with regards to other points, which should be an indicator in and of itself. But anyway, by your own admission, you aren't even on a side here, and ignorant of half the characters. So, this is really nothing but a waste of my time at this point.

Besides, my entire original point was Wonder Woman isn't blitzing shit. Whether Yo-Yo is slightly faster, or a lot faster, it's not happening. Not based on actual screen evidence at least. Flash has the speed to contend, but his lack of XP got him into trouble at multiple points in Justice League, to the point where even Batman had to rescue him at one point IIRC.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, it's called debating by using feats.

If you can't quantify the feat at all, of what use is it?

What feats does WW have to show she's faster than Yo-Yo?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
You don't always need a specific number to know who is faster.

You need to at least have a ballpark estimate.

I don't know exactly how fast Man of Steel Superman can fly, but given that he can circle a quarter of the globe in a second we're talking figures in the range of mach 10,000 or so.

This is enough quantification to say that he can fly faster than, say, Iron Man, who requires minutes to cross continents.

Sometimes there are enough visual cues. Just like Fox vs MCU Quicksilver. You don't need to compare exact numbers to know one is clearly a notable degree faster than the other one.

No, you still do. Fox's QS just happens to have feats that place his numbers quite a bit higher.

There are other indicators that give you the info. It's the same case here. Wonder Woman has no feats where she is moving so fast that the world appears to have completely stopped around her. Yo-Yo? She does it routinely. Flash and Superman? Yes, we see that in Justice League. Wonder Woman? Nope.

Arguments based on visual effects are not very compelling my friend. Yo-yo can move so fast normal humans appear to be standing still, from what I can tell. So what? How fast is that? Is it faster than being able to block machine-gun fire? Or blocking natural lightning projected by Ares after it was thrown? I don't know. Do you? Do you have the numbers to support your claim that it is?

No one else who has actually watched AoS has any issue with my speed assessment, even Darth Thor, who was arguing against Yo-Yo with regards to other points, which should be an indicator in and of itself.

That's a cute appeal to majority you've got there my friend. A sign of desperation perhaps?

But anyway, by your own admission, you aren't even on a side here, and ignorant of half the characters. So, this is really nothing but a waste of my time at this point.

It wouldn't be if you had the courage to admit you were wrong my friend.

Fact of the matter is that you are, per your own words, arguing a definitive statement without definitive numbers supporting it.

Besides, my entire original point was Wonder Woman isn't blitzing shit. Whether Yo-Yo is slightly faster, or a lot faster, it's not happening. Not based on actual screen evidence at least. Flash has the speed to contend, but his lack of XP got him into trouble at multiple points in Justice League, to the point where even Batman had to rescue him at one point IIRC.

So Yo-Yo's best feat is basically moving so fast she leaves normal people statues, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro
If you can't quantify the feat at all, of what use is it?

Quantifying feats is nice and all but it isn't required. You don't get to make up rules whenever you feel like it. When one character has a speed feat that's clearly faster than another character, you don't need to crunch numbers to conclude that they are indeed faster than the other character.

Originally posted by FrothByte
When one character has a speed feat that's clearly faster than another character

To know something, you must believe it, it must be true, and you must be able to support your belief in it. No one here has yet to do the last one.