Originally posted by Kurk
What's nonsensical? Yoda>Sidious>=Dooku>>>B-team.Sidious is closer to Dooku as a duelist than he is to Yoda (omitting Gilliard).
I assume the list posted only applies to dueling as it is clearly evident based on TCW, that Sidous far outstrips Dooku in the Force. Sidious is also a superior duelist, but that is another can of worms.
Originally posted by Kurk
Sidious is closer to Dooku as a duelist than he is to Yoda (omitting Gilliard).
Omitting *Lucas, you mean?
Anyway, it's stated many times over dueling Sidious was far more challenging than dueling Dooku.
Here's two I found off-the-cuff:
It's also stated Yoda vs Dooku was a "warm-up" for Yoda relative to vs Sidious, etc.
It's really not even up for debate.
We can also look into the substance of their fights, and well, kek . . .
Originally posted by DarthSkywalker0Oh yeah; I'm only looking at their saber prowess.
I assume the list posted only applies to dueling as it is clearly evident based on TCW, that Sidous far outstrips Dooku in the Force. Sidious is also a superior duelist, but that is another can of worms.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Omitting *Lucas, you mean?Anyway, it's stated many times over dueling Sidious was far more challenging than dueling Dooku.
Here's two I found off-the-cuff:
It's also stated Yoda vs Dooku was a "warm-up" for Yoda relative to vs Sidious, etc.
It's really not even up for debate.
We can also look into the substance of their fights, and well, kek . . .
Does that make sense? Yoda needing to retreat when it was clearly Sheev who was as seen in the movie transcript?
I'd imagine that fighting Sidious, someone who relies on raw emotions and aggressive fighting far more than a calm, collected, and graceful Dooku, would be a different experience for Yoda
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Of what?
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Uh, it says right there why it's a different experience - Yoda was almost overwhelmed. Don't play dumb with me.
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Simply compare their fights:
The primary sources either depict Yoda outright annihlating Dooku or Yoda immediately putting Dooku on the defensive. Even in the latter case, it's a heavily one-sided battle. Dooku's offensive is utterly incapable of doing anything, for Yoda handles it without even budging an inch, then later moves so fast Dooku has difficulty even landing an attack. That's your best source scenario too, since others have Dooku outright gasping in awe over Yoda's swordsmanship.
Meanwhile, Sidious and Yoda exchange blows as equals for twice the time of Yoda and Dooku's entire fight. Sidious is not just able to handle Yoda's offensive until the final moments, but dish one out in return that threatened to overwhelm and kill Yoda. The fact Sidious was disarmed doesn't change his contention and can easily be attributed to Yoda's inherent advantage of fighting in a closed space where he's even able to stand eye-to-eye with Sidious.
@DarthSkywanker0
“Though Yoda’s junior by hundreds of years, Mace Windu was considered Yoda’s equal in terms of ability, insight, and command.”
-- Power of the Jedi SourcebookPerhaps only Mace was his(Yoda) equal in skill
-- Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
Not definitive nor in date. How the shit can one expect an accurate comparison of the characters from an out of universe source when most of their action has yet to be written. Nothing to say other than cool 2002 accolade bro. I have an updated one:
"The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground"- Dark Rendevouz
Now this is the kicker, wether Mace or Dooku were actually equals or not is unknown. The "perhaps" in the quote, especially considering the above statement from the Power of the Jedi, that Mace might be on par with Dooku on equal ground. Yet, the alternate is not that Mace could be more powerful, but instead that he might be less powerful.
And we have the ROTS novel which implies Mace is Yoda’s superior in dueling
He's might be more "skilled", from what ever limited narrative the ROTS novel is written in. Which can indeed make sense when isolate skill from force augmentation. The latter being more important in a fight.
and the myriad quotes implying parity in power.
Bring them forth.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Omitting *Lucas, you mean?Anyway, it's stated many times over dueling Sidious was far more challenging than dueling Dooku.
Here's two I found off-the-cuff:
It's also stated Yoda vs Dooku was a "warm-up" for Yoda relative to vs Sidious, etc.
It's really not even up for debate.
We can also look into the substance of their fights, and well, kek . . .
Sidious was more challenging because he often employed Force powers in their duel.
I am starting to doubt of your 'debate' skills. 🙁
Originally posted by DarthAnt66So tell me where those images came from, and then explain why Yoda would be fearful for his life when Sidious was on the losing end the entire time as per the transcript.
That's no where stated nor implied in those quotes (nor any source) as the reason of Yoda's difficulty.
Then explain to me how Sidious's "hated and fury" has anything to do with his prowess as a lightsaber duelist.