Jean Grey Vs Saturn Girl

Originally posted by abhilegend
Charles didn't pick up thoughts from all over the universe. Nina thrust him into the thoughts of everyone to awaken his telepathic powers.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-1991/Issue-84?id=28416

He didn't even gave TP right before that page.

It quite matches with his history. Even as a child, he would hear thoughts globally if he slipped and didn't block them out.

It's no secret his TP was gone around that time. I didn't think it was relevant.

Originally posted by StyleTime
X-Men:Kingbreaker #4 (dumb arc so I saved you the time)
https://postimg.org/image/cc0wmwmln/
https://postimg.org/image/m9bxfymhn/

True. She couldn't enter their heads until absorbing Namor's portion. Rulk, as with any Hulk really, always has the fallback trope of rage if the writer wants to go there. The Thor thing I'll grant, but meh...comics. Batman resisted Saturn Queen then TKO'd her.

Through direct showings though, Emma is trouble for Xavier, Exodus, and such. Like I said, it's not that she's their equal. It's just that she's skilled enough to tussle when at a power disadvantage. We're saying similar things I guess.

Why would you put Imra two levels above them? She stated Universo's shenanigans made the Legionnaire's minds weak, and Mon/Ultra aren't exactly Superman or Fantomex in tp defense.

Universo was uber at that time. His mind was connected to every being in the universe. Even Cassandra Nova doesn't have anything on that. I think the only being who is that powerful, TP wise is Brainiac.

Originally posted by StyleTime
X-Men:Kingbreaker #4 (dumb arc so I saved you the time)
https://postimg.org/image/cc0wmwmln/
https://postimg.org/image/m9bxfymhn/

Oh right, that was the arc.

True. She couldn't enter their heads until absorbing Namor's portion. Rulk, as with any Hulk really, always has the fallback trope of rage if the writer wants to go there. The Thor thing I'll grant, but meh...comics. Batman resisted Saturn Queen then TKO'd her.

Red Hulk wasn't even shown able to rage out of it. In his own series Xemnu easily controlled him citing he has no mental strength.

Batman is Batman. Especially under Loeb. He would do the same to Xavier or whoever tries that.

Through direct showings though, Emma is trouble for Xavier, Exodus, and such. Like I said, it's not that she's their equal. It's just that she's skilled enough to tussle when at a power disadvantage. We're saying similar things I guess.

In a few showings, yes. But Xavier took over both Cyclops and Emma.

https://imgur.com/a/M87bY

Emma may be skilled for her level but there are very few showings for her which someone like J'onn can't replicate.

Why would you put Imra two levels above them? She stated Universo's shenanigans made the Legionnaire's minds weak, and Mon/Ultra aren't exactly Superman or Fantomex in tp defense.

Because someone like J'onn is a peer to Emma/Xavier in skill and power and Imra is far superior to J'onn.

Originally posted by StyleTime
She only restarted his powers. Before he could reign them in, he was hearing thoughts across the universe. You added the rest yourself.

It quite matches with his history. Even as a child, he would hear thoughts globally if he slipped and didn't block them out.

It's no secret his TP was gone around that time. I didn't think it was relevant.

All of the world? Even J'onn has taken thoughts of every being on Earth from Mars and thrown them on a fellow Martian to defeat her.

http://imgur.com/a/Zlt3G

Originally posted by abhilegend

Red Hulk wasn't even shown able to rage out of it. In his own series Xemnu easily controlled him citing he has no mental strength.

Batman is Batman. Especially under Loeb. He would do the same to Xavier or whoever tries that.

In a few showings, yes. But Xavier took over both Cyclops and Emma.

https://imgur.com/a/M87bY

Emma may be skilled for her level but there are very few showings for her which someone like J'onn can't replicate.

Because someone like J'onn is a peer to Emma/Xavier in skill and power and Imra is far superior to J'onn.

I was including J'onn there. What makes you place her that far above him? That time she pinged him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was thrown in the collective thoughts of the universe by Nina to reactivate his powers.

All of the world? Even J'onn has taken thoughts of every being on Earth from Mars and thrown them on a fellow Martian to defeat her.

http://imgur.com/a/Zlt3G

I didn't mean that as a feat. I meant that Xavier's powers seem to reach out like that if he doesn't reign them in. It makes sense that in adulthood, after his powers grow, that the scope extends. Having his powers returned took a second to get under control.

He's done similar.
https://postimg.org/image/7v4vdf42j/
https://postimg.org/image/fnvj5e2bv/

Originally posted by StyleTime
Like I said, it's just part of comic inconsistency. Emma has also blocked Xavier without Phoenix. I think we've bridged the gap between us here though, so 👆.

I was including J'onn there. What makes you place her that far above him? That time she pinged him?

No, she just clicked them on from what I can tell. Help me see where you're coming from here.

I didn't mean that as a feat. I meant that Xavier's powers seem to reach out like that if he doesn't reign them in. It makes sense that in adulthood, after his powers grow, that the scope extends. Having his powers returned took a second to get under control.

He's done similar.
https://postimg.org/image/7v4vdf42j/
https://postimg.org/image/fnvj5e2bv/

SG has shown universal telepathy. Martian Manhunter only has planetary.

She certainly has a huge range. That's undeniable. I can't think of any comparable control feats off the top of my head though. The one abhi posted for example.

Of course, could be wrong.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Like I said, it's just part of comic inconsistency. Emma has also blocked Xavier without Phoenix. I think we've bridged the gap between us here though, so 👆.

Emma blocked Charles in WWH and so did the cuckoos. It was a bad showing all around for Xavier.

I was including J'onn there. What makes you place her that far above him? That time she pinged him?

No, Saturn Queen killing him.

No, she just clicked them on. I don't quite understand your reasoning otherwise here.

I didn't mean that as a feat. I meant that Xavier's powers seem to reach out like that if he doesn't reign them in. It makes sense that in adulthood, after his powers grow, that the scope extends. Having his powers returned took a second to get under control.

You can think that way but Imra has handled the combined thoughts in the universe twice and scanned the whole universe as well.

He's done similar.
https://postimg.org/image/7v4vdf42j/
https://postimg.org/image/fnvj5e2bv/

Hence why J'onn is a peer to Xavier.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Saturn Queen killing him.

And the short haired Saturn Queen was stalemating multiple Saturn Girls, albeit mostly off panel.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The alternate timeline one where she was fighting him physically? Even assuming his tp was the same, I don't remember Imra ever smashing her.

And the short haired Saturn Queen was stalemating multiple Saturn Girls, albeit mostly off panel.

Her whole personality is that she is jealous of Imra who is the most powerful telepath Titan has ever produced.

You mean in LO3W? Earth 247 Saturn Girl stopped her easily.

She hates their society, and Saturn Girl represents that true. I've seen no real indication that Imra is better than her though. They surprisingly don't interact much, but two Saturn Girls weren't able to stop her broadcasting her thoughts.

Earth 247 SG didn't stop her, even with help from Earth-Prime SG.

Kinda impressive that Sensor Girl tooled Saturn Girl like a weak feeb. Shows how formidable Sensor Girl is.

Imes Imra was the first to concoct a cure for MonEl

She was able to read the mind of a person whom even a race of telepaths were unable to read:

Originally posted by Zack M
Kinda impressive that Sensor Girl tooled Saturn Girl like a weak feeb. Shows how formidable Sensor Girl is.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem is Threeboot Saturn Girl wasn't impressive. I personally think Saturn Girl is overstated in general, but Threeboot is probably the weakest.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

She did that to zero hour, post Saturn Girl, not three boot.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The problem is Threeboot Saturn Girl wasn't impressive. I personally think Saturn Girl is overstated in general, but Threeboot is probably the weakest.

We keep using amalgams of Legion characters because their continuity is one of the most ****ed up in comics, but it makes certain feats sound better than they are.

Sorry, upon further look, it was three boot. I was thinking of the scene where Sensor Girl fooled Universo, which was before threeboot.

Notice how it says Universo is the most dangerous TELEPATH ever? Saturn Girl is way above Martian Manhunter or even Xavier.

And Jeckie was able to block her thoughts and fool him with an illusion.

Originally posted by Zack M
Sorry, upon further look, it was three boot. I was thinking of the scene where Sensor Girl fooled Universo, which was before threeboot.

Originally posted by Zack M

Granted, he was amping off the Titanet, as stated by himself and Sensor.
https://postimg.org/image/6kys9rj5n/
https://postimg.org/image/jccyg9l7v/

Sensor has resistance, but she obtained a psi-blocker to save Saturn Girl.
https://postimg.org/image/q43dipx8b/
https://postimg.org/image/h92j85azv/

Universo got overwhelmed by the innocence of a baby. (Not joking)
https://postimg.org/image/vs9o9tjmz/
https://postimg.org/image/w512fzu6z/

Then, Saturn Girl amped off of Titanet while he was mentally compromised and beat him, as revealed later.
https://postimg.org/image/7oiwlkym3/

Again, Saturn Girl is being way overstated here, as is Universo. They were both amping, and accomplished less than J'onn while doing it.

J'onn is still not in her league. Unless you have feats that say otherwise. I'd put MM around Xavier/Emma level.