Originally posted by Selenial
I don’t really get why people assume unchained Vaylin is a superior combatant to chained. Stronger, for sure, but not necessarily a superior combatant...
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She got stronger, but that doesn't mean she got stronger? Did you think this through, Sel? She didn't get worse as a fighter, so naturally a large increase in power would make her considerably stronger.
Originally posted by Nephthys
😬She got stronger, but that doesn't mean she got stronger? Did you think this through, Sel? She didn't get worse as a fighter, so naturally a large increase in power would make her considerably stronger.
Yes because there’s not a single instance in the mythos of characters gaining power but significantly underperforming due to changes in their mental state. You’re right, I really can’t think of one mmm
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not that she could have increased that much when she can’t kill Theron Shan kek
Lol, if anything without the mental conditioning Vaylin was in a better mental state and more confident than she'd ever been. In the previous duel the Outlander was struggling specifically against her raw power. Yet she went on and beat an even more powerful version of Vaylin. It's not that Vaylin fumbled the ball, the Outlander is just that good.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'd love to see what this change in mental state is, Sel. Vaylin's conditioning was a block on her power, not a change to how she thought about or focused on things.Some low tier false equivalency going on here, if I'm being completely honest.
The entire plotline of KOTET is about her literally falling into insanity. Her movements across the galaxy are rash, unpredictable and downright retarded almost constantly. Why anyone expects her to be different in battle is beyond me. The Outlander himself calls Vaylin's attack on Odessen 'desperate', later saying she's 'desperate to kill' him and Valkorion. Senya says in response to the Outlander's plan to manipulate Vaylin to the surface and kill her as 'easy', because her daughter is 'blinded by her bloodlust'. Even in combat, she goes from a combatant who meticulously chains force attacks in lightsaber sequences, and who abuses her environment with TK, to someone who flailing hides behind a force wave so low in power that it couldn't even kill Theron Shan...
I'm all for believing she's a wholly superior combatant if anything actually says that, but both the conversations and her shown ability seem to prove the opposite. Vaylin has such little control over her power that she ****ing accidentally starts choking her own troops.
Also, @Neph, is there anything saying that after Chapter 9 the Outlander keeps Valkorion's power? Because before facing Vaylin the Outlander openly admits he could not win without Valk still being with him.