How Skilled is Superman

Originally posted by One Big Mob
You should stop setting limitation bets. Someone is going to break it and nothing will be done.
You should do a sigbet where the winner has to wear a sig of the other guys choosing or make for a month. Within whatever rules are left of the forum

And also define what you're even arguing. Are Superman/Thor fighting each other depowered? Are you just arguing one is more skilled than the other without them fighting? Or are they doing martial arts demonstrations?

Speaking of sigbets and piquing my own interest, I'll sigbet for a month on whether the hammer gets destroyed by the sun. I'm on the fence with what he'll write (considering the foreshadowing, the words, and the next series is literally Thor forging hammers) but I'm going to say it doesn't get destroyed by the sun.

Who wants to give me a sig?

Good point. A sigbet should be sufficient, but 1 month ban from all Superman or Thor related threads makes a lot more sense.

His initial challenge to me is that Superman is easily more skilled than Thor and the context was unarmed combat.

So I guess it won't be Thor vs. Superman, even unarmed. Abhiligend will present a case on why he thinks Superman is easily more skilled (Fighting skill) than Thor. I will present a case as to why that is blatantly untrue.

You're on ragey boy.

I WANT YOU TWO TO HAVE SEX RIGHT NOW

You're not making much sense. You say we're on, but your last post completely changed the parameters of the the original challenge you issued me:

Originally posted by abhilegend
My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. Focus will be on h2h but all powers will be included too.

Whatever floats your boat.

Here is a reminder of your challenge:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Insanity. Wonder Woman/Thor types would be B or B- fighters. Cyclops, Punisher etc are B+ or A-. Batman, Wolverine, Captain America etc. are A list.

Superman is a C list fighter. There's enough doubt that there that when rendered powerless, if a writer has him get his ass kicked, no body would bat an eye. There are also comics where he displays skills and references he was taught by Batman and Wonder Woman. That's what makes him C list, not D.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is easily more skilled than Thor. So is Superman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Superman is easily more skilled than Thor in h2h...Top 5 dumbest things you've said.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well J'onn is about as powerful as Thor is skilled so maybe.

We can do a BZ on this if you are so sure.

How about that, eh?

We were talking specifically about fighting skills. This is VERY different:
"My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. "

That's a MUCH broader scope. Don't shift the goal posts here little buddy.

Your argument and challenge was very clear. Specifically hand to hand fighting skills. I don't care if Superman can blitz someone while blasting them with heat vision.

It's just unfortunate that you equate pressure point utilization to greater skill. You think being a Superman fan, you'd understand that fundamentals are more important. Or from reading Captain America/Hercules/Wonder Woman that technical knowledge =/= efficiency and skill. 🙂

But that's what the battle zone is for.

Here comes the execuses...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're not making much sense. You say we're on, but your last post completely changed the parameters of the the original challenge you issued me:

Here is a reminder of your challenge:

We were talking specifically about fighting skills. This is VERY different:
"My argument is that Superman is more skilled overall than Thor in using his powers to do a task. "

That's a MUCH broader scope. Don't shift the goal posts here little buddy.

Your argument and challenge was very clear. Specifically hand to hand fighting skills. I don't care if Superman can blitz someone while blasting them with heat vision.

It's just unfortunate that you equate pressure point utilization to greater skill. You think being a Superman fan, you'd understand that fundamentals are more important. Or from reading Captain America/Hercules/Wonder Woman that technical knowledge =/= efficiency and skill. 🙂

But that's what the battle zone is for.

Happy now?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Here comes the execuses...

Shang Chi is more skilled then Gorgon.

Skill can only do so much.

Unless you're Val Armorr. Kind of hard to downplay the skills of someone when they fight Damamites and Flash's, and the narrative makes it plain this is NOT pis, and that the practitioner has no powers whatsoever.

On the other edge of the scale.....Hulk.

How are we defining skill, btw? Because I don't want to read stuff like 'here he is winning a fight, this means he's skilled'.

Because by that methodology, Hulk is the most skilled.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
On the other edge of the scale.....Hulk.

How are we defining skill, btw? Because I don't want to read stuff like 'here he is winning a fight, this means he's skilled'.

Because by that methodology, Hulk is the most skilled.

Gamma fu.

Spider beats Matt. Is Spidey more skilled?

hey, why don't you all butt out! stop raising pesky little issues like--"define your challenge!" and "what exactly are you going to argue!?"

details, details. leave it in the capable hands of the judges to determine who wins this epic confrontation. if we all keep talking about it, someone is gonna say something, goalposts will shift....and WHAMMO--leo's dreams are crushed. again.

don't crush leo's dreams. sneer

Originally posted by abhilegend
I will do both. Proving Superman superior in h2h skills and applying his powers to different tasks.

Happy now?

😂

Re-read my post again please. You challenged me to a very specific battle zone in a very specific context.

That context was that Superman is easily more skilled, and we were talking specifically about fighting in hand to hand. I was listing combatants like Winter Soldier, and Captain America in the same breath, so there was no room for confusion.

That's the battle zone that YOU asked ME for. You're not doing ME a favor or making some kind of concession. Why would I be happy? 😕

You don't ask a battle zone in the context of pure hand to hand skills, and even reference Superman's greatest showing (Vs. Kobra) and then shift the goal posts to who is more skilled with the entire power set.

The former is very specific and defined, by your parameters. The latter is WAY more broad. I understand why you'd like the latter however, you can just post scans of Superman using heat vision in combination with super speed to prove his power set is effective. The former would require you trying to convince comic book veteran readers that pressure points = more skilled*.

Again, Thor and Superman in hand to hand skills. Superman is easily more skilled. I will try the best my dumb little Thor fanboy brain can muster to prove that this is wrong.

*My favorite part is your initial challenging post called Orion and Wonder Woman very skilled while calling Thor an unimpressive fighter. Very similar fighting backgrounds.

grr. sensing cracks forming....

i liked the original premise--thor is a b level fighter, superman is a c level guy--or some minor variation of that theme. THAT was what i figured would be debated.

Originally posted by leonidas
grr. sensing cracks forming....

i liked the original premise--thor is a b level fighter, superman is a c level guy--or some minor variation of that theme. THAT was what i figured would be debated.

I agree.

But flip the premise: Superman is a B level fighter and close to guys like Orion and Wonder Woman. Thor is far less impressive and a C level fighter. Maybe D. I'm not sure how far down Abhi ranked him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😂

Re-read my post again please. You challenged me to a very specific battle zone in a very specific context.

That context was that Superman is easily more skilled, and we were talking specifically about fighting in hand to hand. I was listing combatants like Winter Soldier, and Captain America in the same breath, so there was no room for confusion.

That's the battle zone that YOU asked ME for. You're not doing ME a favor or making some kind of concession. Why would I be happy? 😕

You don't ask a battle zone in the context of pure hand to hand skills, and even reference Superman's greatest showing (Vs. Kobra) and then shift the goal posts to who is more skilled with the entire power set.

The former is very specific and defined, by your parameters. The latter is WAY more broad. I understand why you'd like the latter however, you can just post scans of Superman using heat vision in combination with super speed to prove his power set is effective. The former would require you trying to convince comic book veteran readers that pressure points = more skilled*.

Again, Thor and Superman in hand to hand skills. Superman is easily more skilled. I will try the best my dumb little Thor fanboy brain can muster to prove that this is wrong.

*My favorite part is your initial challenging post called Orion and Wonder Woman very skilled while calling Thor an unimpressive fighter. Very similar fighting backgrounds.

Are you happy now or do I have to dumb it down further.

@Leo More or less. I would rank thor at 9, near 10 in skill, Clark at 8, Diana would be a solid 11

And the BZ shouldn't be how much better Clark is, which he isn't. It should be about who is the better h2h fighter.

Debate who is the more skilled hand to hand combatant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I just said that I will prove Superman better h2h fighter AND better skilled in using his powers separately.

Are you happy now or do I have to dumb it down further.

And have I not made it clear that I really don't give a shit who's more skilled in using their powers?

Thor wields a magic hammer.

Do you know how much skill it takes to summon a God Blast or a giant lightning bolt? How about summoning a lightning storm inside an opponent? It definitely takes a lot of effort, skill too probably, not many comic book characters can pull it off, but do you have some frame of reference? Because I have no f*cking idea.

I have some frame of reference as to the type of difficulty it takes to punch someone in rapid succession, while attempting to focus my field of vision in another direction. Thor is also not known for his f*cking subtlety. He usually wins his challenges through will power, determination, and beating the shit out of the other guy.

Why would you even suggest something as dumb as this?

But I'm all for the hand to hand thing. 🙂

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe

And the BZ shouldn't be how much better Clark is, which he isn't.

Abhiligend disagrees. In fact, he disagrees so strongly, he challenged me to a battle zone that Superman is easily more skilled. 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Abhiligend disagrees. In fact, he disagrees so strongly, he challenged me to a battle zone that Superman is easily more skilled. 🙂

The easily part makes it kind of pointless, because this is a game changer depends on who you ask about it. Who is more skilled is a far more interesting debate.