Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Wasn't Ajax's thing just that He couldn't feel pain? Cause he was a crap villain. [/B]
The explanation for his powers and what we actually see didn't add up. He claimed he had deadened nerves and enhanced reflexes. But he was strong enough to casually lift a fully grown man off his feet and hold him in the air, without any apparent effort, bend a piece of metal rebar, and send Deadpool flying around with some of his hits. And he survived things that would have killed a human, deadened nerves or not.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Rank from strongest to weakest.Spiderman
Luke Cage
Wolverine (in his prime)
Jessica Jones
Alisa Jones
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Lady Deathstrike
Beast (in his prime)
Kingpin
Captain America
Deadpool
Ajax
Most of the ones you mentioned here fall under the "Super human" category.
Based on the movies:
1. Spider Man
2. Captain America
I'd put Beast above either Luke or Steve. I have never seen either of them toss a car like 50 feet, or throw someone all the way to the top of a multi-storey building from the ground below.
Hard to rank some though. Alisa Jones is implied to be very strong (according to Jessica, multiple times her own strength), but that show was so light on action, it's hard to pinpoint where she sits. The most notable feat was when she and Jessica stopped a bus together. One thing with Alisa is that if we take her leaping feats as strength feats, then she is insanely strong, as she was able to seemingly make leaps up to the roofs of buildings, several floors up, from the street below.
It's always tricky to rate JJ's strength because she's so inconsistent. In one scene she's throwing a human body hundreds of feet away and in the next she falls on her ass because a cripple with a baton hits her legs. In S2 she dislocates a man's shoulder with a casual shove but in S1 she gets in a bar brawl and none of her opponents seem to get any serious injuries.
The way I see it is that she's actually stronger than Cap but because she lacks the training and skill it makes her inconsistent. Like a baby who sometimes can walk and sometimes crawls. She seems stronger with casual feats like easily breaking chains and locks but she doesn't have the high-end feats like Cap does and isn't as consistent in using her strength.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'd put Beast above either Luke or Steve. I have never seen either of them toss a car like 50 feet, or throw someone all the way to the top of a multi-storey building from the ground below.Hard to rank some though. Alisa Jones is implied to be very strong (according to Jessica, multiple times her own strength), but that show was so light on action, it's hard to pinpoint where she sits. The most notable feat was when she and Jessica stopped a bus together. One thing with Alisa is that if we take her leaping feats as strength feats, then she is insanely strong, as she was able to seemingly make leaps up to the roofs of buildings, several floors up, from the street below.
Fair point about Beast. I rewatched his feats and have to agree with you.
Regarding Alisa vs Luke.
Honestly, going by their performances against Jessica, Alisa might very well be stronger. Luke seemed to edge Jessica during the few instances where they matched strength in anger, but she could still offer some resistance. Whenever she tussled with her mother, she got manhandled pretty casually.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's always tricky to rate JJ's strength because she's so inconsistent. In one scene she's throwing a human body hundreds of feet away and in the next she falls on her ass because a cripple with a baton hits her legs. In S2 she dislocates a man's shoulder with a casual shove but in S1 she gets in a bar brawl and none of her opponents seem to get any serious injuries.The way I see it is that she's actually stronger than Cap but because she lacks the training and skill it makes her inconsistent. Like a baby who sometimes can walk and sometimes crawls. She seems stronger with casual feats like easily breaking chains and locks but she doesn't have the high-end feats like Cap does and isn't as consistent in using her strength.
With Jessica, I think it's also a thing of anger/level of restraint. People get hurt easier when she is more angry. In S1, most people were being mind-controlled by Kilgrave, so they were also victims, hence more holding back. But in S2, when she hurt Pryce Cheng she was furious at him for trying to steal her clients. When Trish did what she did at the end of the series, a hard shove from Jessica banged her up enough that she limped and staggered away. We've seen a pissed off Jessica punch a hole in a concrete wall (granted, she did bloody her knuckles some), or squash a steel chair like it was a soda can. So, we know she can exert a frighteningly large amount of force when she wants to.
Another thing to consider is her mindset. Most of the time (when she isn't in super rage mode at least) she is terrified of the idea of actually killing someone, because of what it would mean about her. We see this at multiple points in S2.
Ok so I've finally finished S2 of JJ and here's my updated list:
Spiderman
Beast
Alisa Jones
Luke Cage
Captain America / Jessica Jones
BP
WS
Deathstrike
Ajax/Wolverine
DP
Kingpin
I'm still a bit iffy about Cap and JJ. JJ seems like she should be stronger but Cap has better high-end feats. I'm willing to be persuaded either way. I'm also thinking DP and Kingpin might be very close to each other's strength level.
Deadpool is likely getting better strength feats in his new film though. For example, during the first teaser, there is a sequence where it looks like he shoulder slams a car hard enough to move it.
Now, admittedly, it might just be a case of them cutting the sequence in that manner to trick us, so will have to wait until the film drops to know for sure. But what do you think? It's at around 1:34-1:35 here: