Street-level Strength Rankings (MCU/Fox)

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You don't understand basic physics. Much of the beam was still on the ground. That means the ground was still exerting a normal force to the beam. Imagine lifting one end of a couch a couple of feet, while the other end is still on the floor. It takes a fraction of the entire weight in force to lift one end a couple of feet. Plus this is a deadlift. Usually people can overhead lift less than half of the weight they can deadlift with. My argument is strength must translate to what you can lift over your head.

2. The coach appears to be lying in order to motivate him. We never seen Cap do it. Thus it does not count as a feat.

3. We don't know how sharp the shield is. We don't know Tony's average durability in that film. Real science does not apply to the established rule that Marvel set about more durable objects cutting through less durable objects regardless of strength. So to support that feat, you must rebut all 3 of these points. Rebutting 1 of them isn't enough.

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1. Do you understand the concept of Gravity and its relationship with objects? The beam weights 30 tons, which means you require 30K newtons of force to raise it against gravity. Aint like you can raise it with less strength. Your argument makes no sense my friend.

2. The statement is plain clear to mention Cap moving a 58+Ton Bulldozer better. There is no evidence to contradict such statement therefore it is valid.

3.The shield aint sharp boy. Isnt like the shield cuts people in half each time Cap strikes them with it.

We are talking about the suit not Tony. The suit is made of Gold Titanium Alloy. The tensile strength of such material is of 850MPa. The feat is plain clear.

Conclusion: Cap has much better strength feats than Beast. You have no solid evidence to neutralize the feats given previously H1.

Dont worry however. You aint the first person to underestimate Cap.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
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1. Do you understand the concept of Gravity and its relationship with objects? The beam weights 30 tons, which means you require 30K newtons of force to raise it against gravity. Aint like you can raise it with less strength. Your argument makes no sense my friend.

2. The statement is plain clear to mention Cap moving a 58+Ton Bulldozer better. There is no evidence to contradict such statement therefore it is valid.

3.The shield aint sharp boy. Isnt like the shield cuts people in half each time Cap strikes them with it.

We are talking about the suit not Tony. The suit is made of Gold Titanium Alloy. The tensile strength of such material is of 850MPa. The feat is plain clear.

Conclusion: Cap has much better strength feats than Beast. You have no solid evidence to neutralize the feats given previously H1.

Dont worry however. You aint the first person to underestimate Cap.

1. Lifting part of the beam does not mean you lift it's entire weight. That's why you're only lifting "part of it". Anyone with even a bit of common sense knows this.

2. Pushing a an object is not the same thing as lifting it. Pushing a 58 ton bulldozer doesn't mean you can lift a 58 ton bulldozer.

3. Sharpness is relative. Cap's shield is not as sharp as a knife but it is sharper than a blunt sword. As long as it's thin enough, it can cut through object when enough force is applied to it. Cap's shield is able to cut through cement and steel.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Lifting part of the beam does not mean you lift it's entire weight. That's why you're only lifting "part of it". Anyone with even a bit of common sense knows this.

2. Pushing a an object is not the same thing as lifting it. Pushing a 58 ton bulldozer doesn't mean you can lift a 58 ton bulldozer.

3. Sharpness is relative. Cap's shield is not as sharp as a knife but it is sharper than a blunt sword. As long as it's thin enough, it can cut through object when enough force is applied to it. Cap's shield is able to cut through cement and steel.

1. Except he aint lifting part of the beam, he is lifting the beam! Even if for only centimeters high, Cap lifted it. Even if a part of the beam was touching the ground, most of the beam was elevated. Hell as sure thats more force and weight that the SUV.

2. WTF!? Thats an invalid argument right there. Boy the bulldozer was being dragged! We even see the ground beneath getting destroyed in the process, which means that it was 58 tons plus the friction of the ground! It only makes the feat more impressive.

What makes you think he cant lift it? Aint like lifting requires more strength than dragging. Specially when considering that the ground is putting resistance in the process.

3. Invalid. The object aint sharp enough to make a valid point. Again, we dont see people being sliced in half when Cap strikes them with it. The point is that the Shield's edge doesnt really aid in the feat.

The point here is boys Cap》Beast. All you are doing is trying to devalue the feats, and with no real evidence.

Cap easily oscillates beyond 30 tons whereas Beast highest feat is a 5ton SUV. Please!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
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1. Do you understand the concept of Gravity and its relationship with objects? The beam weights 30 tons, which means you require 30K newtons of force to raise it against gravity. Aint like you can raise it with less strength. Your argument makes no sense my friend.

2. The statement is plain clear to mention Cap moving a 58+Ton Bulldozer better. There is no evidence to contradict such statement therefore it is valid.

3.The shield aint sharp boy. Isnt like the shield cuts people in half each time Cap strikes them with it.

We are talking about the suit not Tony. The suit is made of Gold Titanium Alloy. The tensile strength of such material is of 850MPa. The feat is plain clear.

Conclusion: Cap has much better strength feats than Beast. You have no solid evidence to neutralize the feats given previously H1.

Dont worry however. You aint the first person to underestimat
Cap.

2. The coach could be lying as Cap has no feats remotely in that territory. It appeared to me that he was lying and thus it’s inconclusive.

3. How Sharp means the thickness of the edge. Pressure = force /area. The smaller the area the larger the pressure. So if the area of edge of the shield is 1/20 of a square inch then the force nessarily would be 1/20 of the total force to deform a square in.

4. You don’t know what the suit is exactly made of. Bullshit has damaged that suit (like aircraft bullets). Hell, iron man’s 1 suit is shown to be more durable than other films.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1. Except he aint lifting part of the beam, he is lifting the beam! Even if for only centimeters high, Cap lifted it. Even if a part of the beam was touching the ground, most of the beam was elevated. Hell as sure thats more force and weight that the SUV.

2. WTF!? Thats an invalid argument right there. Boy the bulldozer was being dragged! We even see the ground beneath getting destroyed in the process, which means that it was 58 tons plus the friction of the ground! It only makes the feat more impressive.

What makes you think he cant lift it? Aint like lifting requires more strength than dragging. Specially when considering that the ground is putting resistance in the process.

3. Invalid. The object aint sharp enough to make a valid point. Again, we dont see people being sliced in half when Cap strikes them with it. The point is that the Shield's edge doesnt really aid in the feat.

1. You are an idiot. You didn’t know that Cap lifted part of the beam? The other part was still on the ground.

2. Again, another idiot post. Pushing something is usually less than lifting it. You have 0 physics knowledge. And we can’t be 100% sure Cap did it.

3. If Cap doesn’t cut a person but he does the suit then either the suit is less durable or Cap is applying more force on the suit. If the latter is the case then your post is stupid.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. You are an idiot. You didn’t know that Cap lifted part of the beam? The other part was still on the ground.

2. Again, another idiot post. Pushing something is usually less than lifting it. You have 0 physics knowledge. And we can’t be 100% sure Cap did it.

3. If Cap doesn’t cut a person but he does the suit then either the suit is less durable or Cap is applying more force on the suit. If the latter is the case then your post is stupid.

1.The only idiot here is you boy.Youve fail to bring compelling evidence to claim that Beast is stronger than Cap. Youve brought nothing but your own personally opinion whilst i bring you atual feats. Your pathetic attempts to try devalue Caps feats are worthless.

If you will debate bring me evidence and feats, not twisted logic!

2. Your foolishness has been noted.

3. Concession accepted.

Boy. Bring me evidence, else suck your shitty opinions.

Until now, my evidence dominates your posts

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He didn’t raise it completely off the ground. When you lift one end of a couch then are you lifting the entire weight of the couch? So cap lifted half the weight. And deadlift strength is generally 3x overhead strength. So Cap tops out at 5 tons.

2. The coach could be lying as Cap has no feats remotely in that territory. It appeared to me that he was lying and thus it’s inconclusive.

3. How Sharp means the thickness of the edge. Pressure = force /area. The smaller the area the larger the pressure. So if the area of edge of the shield is 1/20 of a square inch then the force nessarily would be 1/20 of the total force to deform a square in.

4. You don’t know what the suit is exactly made of. Bullshit has damaged that suit (like aircraft bullets). Hell, iron man’s 1 suit is shown to be more durable than other films.

Youve failed in every aspect. Devaluing Cap's feats doesnt make Beast even HALF as strong as Cap.

Those feats overwhelm anything Beast has done and yiu can cry about it as much as you want

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Youve failed in every aspect. Devaluing Cap's feats doesnt make Beast even HALF as strong as Cap.

Those feats overwhelm anything Beast has done [B] and yiu can cry about it as much as you want [/B]

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Originally posted by h1a8
1. He didn’t raise it completely off the ground. When you lift one end of a couch then are you lifting the entire weight of the couch? So cap lifted half the weight. And deadlift strength is generally 3x overhead strength. So Cap tops out at 5 tons.

2. The coach could be lying as Cap has no feats remotely in that territory. It appeared to me that he was lying and thus it’s inconclusive.

3. How Sharp means the thickness of the edge. Pressure = force /area. The smaller the area the larger the pressure. So if the area of edge of the shield is 1/20 of a square inch then the force nessarily would be 1/20 of the total force to deform a square in.

4. You don’t know what the suit is exactly made of. Bullshit has damaged that suit (like aircraft bullets). Hell, iron man’s 1 suit is shown to be more durable than other films.

Bahahahahahaha!!!!

BOY PLEASE! The fact that you lack knowledge over the MCU landscape doesnt mean everyone else does! Go research on the IM MK 46 suit! Go make yourself a favour.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Because he is not as strong as the other guys on the list. I mean, where would you put him?

Problem with Logan is he is massively inconsistent. His stats and skill fluctuate a lot. Hell, forget different movies. It sometimes fluctuates across the same fight scene. Like the mansion attack from X2. In one shot, he has trouble outmuscling a guy trying to stab him with a combat knife. Later, during the same fight scene, he is strong enough to flick a pair of guys a couple of feet into the air (one arm each) without much problem.