Originally posted by Nibedicus
I’m all for sensical gun regulations. Raising legal age for gun ownership. Mental health and background checks. Why the over-reach on the anti-gun side these days? You know there is no way gun owners would come to the table if you approach from such an extreme position?
Why the 'over-reach' these days? Have you not been following the news?
I don't see it as an extreme position, its more that the US is currently in an extreme position and the sensible course would be to right the ship through serious regulation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why the 'over-reach' these days? Have you not been following the news?I don't see it as an extreme position, its more that the US is currently in an extreme position and the sensible course would be to right the ship through serious regulation.
https://www.atf.gov/file/11241/download
That's over 200 pages of regulations.
Originally posted by Surtur
Why do you want to raise the legal age though? Consider the following scenario: a 19 yr. old woman has moved into her own apartment. It is in a dangerous neighborhood and she wants to purchase a handgun. Shouldn't she be able to do so?
My take on it?
I know it’s a generalization and might be a bit biased likely due to my age.
But I am firmly of the opinion that kids tend to be stupid and irresponsible and I believe owning a weapon gives you a responsibility not just for your own life, but for others as well. Kids have been too emotional/tempermental/irresponsible/kneejerky in my experience.
Of course, I’m sure I could be provably wrong given statistical studies.
I’m open to arguments, however.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why the 'over-reach' these days? Have you not been following the news?I don't see it as an extreme position, its more that the US is currently in an extreme position and the sensible course would be to right the ship through serious regulation.
There will always be tragedies. And if one wants solutions to prevent such tragedies, one tries to enter with a reasonable proposal to minimize opposition.
Overreach just puts the opposition on the defensive and makes them double down.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
My take on it?I know it’s a generalization and might be a bit biased likely due to my age.
But I am firmly of the opinion that kids tend to be stupid and irresponsible and I believe owning a weapon gives you a responsibility not just for your own life, but for others as well. Kids have been too emotional/tempermental/irresponsible/kneejerky in my experience.
Of course, I’m sure I could be provably wrong given statistical studies.
I’m open to arguments, however.
I'm not sure 21 yr. olds are automatically more mature than an 18 yr. old. I think it varies by person. Why punish the responsible people? It could be argued that someone who, at the age of 19, has gotten their own apartment would have to be a responsible person in order to achieve that.
Beyond that, if tomorrow morning we were attacked by another country and went to war and we instituted a draft...there would definitely be people under the age of 21 being called up.
If tomorrow morning an 18 yr. old commits a serious crime they will be tried as an adult.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I mean if 18 year olds can vote, be tried in a court of law as an adult, and be drafted or choose to enlist, then I think they should get all of the rights that go along with being an adult.
Well, I don’t disagree entirely. I just feel that we need to be considerate of the wellbeing on the community as a whole. Owning a gun in a huge responsibility, putting it in the hands of those who are mostly children. Tempermental, emotional, panicky children.
Personally, I feel that a certain level of personal “growth” is needed before someone is given the discretion to take a life.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, I don’t disagree entirely. I just feel that we need to be considerate of the wellbeing on the community as a whole. Owning a gun in a huge responsibility, putting it in the hands of those who are mostly children. Tempermental, emotional, panicky children.Personally, I feel that a certain level of personal “growth” is needed before someone is given the discretion to take a life.
Lets switch off from 18. The people who want to raise the age want to raise the age to 21. Why is someone who is 21 more mature than someone who is 20?
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You usually don’t blow someone’s head off with a gun.If someone is expected to take on the full legal responsibility and accountability of an adult, don’t give me the crap that they don’t deserve the full rights of an adult.
Nonsense. It pops off like a cork. I've seen video games, I know what I'm talking about.
Being responsible for your own actions is an admirable thing, but other people need to pay thr price for those actions and I don't think 18 year old are responsible enough to risk other people paying too heavily just to make it 'fair' or whatever.
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm not sure 21 yr. olds are automatically more mature than an 18 yr. old. I think it varies by person. Why punish the responsible people? It could be argued that someone who, at the age of 19, has gotten their own apartment would have to be a responsible person in order to achieve that.Beyond that, if tomorrow morning we were attacked by another country and went to war and we instituted a draft...there would definitely be people under the age of 21 being called up.
If tomorrow morning an 18 yr. old commits a serious crime they will be tried as an adult.
I remember being 18. I wouldn’t trust me with a gun back then (fortunately, I hate guns so never owned one). There are responsible exceptions of course, but how do we segregate the responsible ones from the irresonsible ones or do we just lump them all together and hope nothing happens?
I think the difference between a soldier and a civilian owning guns is that one is trained and takes life at the direction of the country. A civilian is not necessarily trained and takes life at their own discretion.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I mean the vast majority of gun owners don’t blow someone’s head off.Yes people who kill other people do pay the price for their actions. It’s why we have prison, the courts, and police.
That's nice. Too many do though.
I meant that when they kill someone taking responsiblity doesn't exactly help the victims much. Cuz they're ****ing dead. I don't think its right to risk lives to satisfy your sense of entitlement.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
The force of law can be brought down on people who kill people without punishing the vast majority of gun owners who have never murdered someone.
Boo hoo. They'll live.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lets switch off from 18. The people who want to raise the age want to raise the age to 21. Why is someone who is 21 more mature than someone who is 20?
Because, by its definition, we mature with age. Or at least most of us do. Logically, one would normally be more mature at 21 years than one was at 18 years old. At the very least 21 year olds won’t be in high school anymore. Which means that they at least won’t be likely be specifically targetting their high schools for target practice (unless they have some strange fixation on their high school life).
I know that there are many 18 year olds who are more mature than many 21 year olds, tho.