Azrael vs Iron Fist

Maybe it could.

Danny's fought against swords that can beat him. As far back as Marvel Premier, in fact, where he first appeared.

He was skilled enough to catch the sword on the flat side, with one hand, mid swing. No chi protection.

Danny also doesn't need to meet him head on. Back in his first team up with Luke, he thought he was going to kill someone, and forced his punch to veer off. He struck the air. The shockwave knocked down his opponent.

And half a dozen other in the room.

And Luke Cage, on the other side of the room.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe it could.

Danny's fought against swords that can beat him. As far back as Marvel Premier, in fact, where he first appeared.

He was skilled enough to catch the sword on the flat side, with one hand, mid swing. No chi protection.

Danny also doesn't need to meet him head on. Back in his first team up with Luke, he thought he was going to kill someone, and forced his punch to veer off. He struck the air. The shockwave knocked down his opponent.

And half a dozen other in the room.

And Luke Cage, on the other side of the room.

You know more about IF than I do, dood.

Originally posted by cdtm
Maybe it could.

Danny's fought against swords that can beat him. As far back as Marvel Premier, in fact, where he first appeared.

He was skilled enough to catch the sword on the flat side, with one hand, mid swing. No chi protection.

Danny also doesn't need to meet him head on. Back in his first team up with Luke, he thought he was going to kill someone, and forced his punch to veer off. He struck the air. The shockwave knocked down his opponent.

And half a dozen other in the room.

And Luke Cage, on the other side of the room.

Yeah, but if IF touches the sword, it will just play mind games with him that's what happened with Bane.

Mind games, how?

For the record, the ninja I mentioned was fighting him in another plane, where physics were wonky. Up was down, down was sideways, ect. They were essentially floating in a void like the end of 2001: Space Odyssey.

And he managed to cope and fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
Mind games, how?

For the record, the ninja I mentioned was fighting him in another plane, where physics were wonky. Up was down, down was sideways, ect. They were essentially floating in a void like the end of 2001: Space Odyssey.

And he managed to cope and fight.

He has a way to manipulate the mind, by a simple touch. He did it to Drake, too.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/comic-book-preview-1988/preview-batman-and-robin-eternal-10-1753331/

Originally posted by Senor Cage
He has a way to manipulate the mind, by a simple touch. He did it to Drake, too.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/comic-book-preview-1988/preview-batman-and-robin-eternal-10-1753331/

The Iron Fist allows the same. Only more direct.

He untangled Colleen Wing from sorcerer Master Khan's mind whammy (Very powerful, he altered Super Skrulls body and memories to appear as a shape shifting kid who becomes a muscle-man hero, ala Captain Marvel), so odds are he can resist it.

Assuming the Iron Fist doesn't simply negate the effect. A charged hand has blocked many effects, such as a literal "touch of death" from another master martial artist.

It's not the exact same way. I think Azraels is through straight up tech.

I have a response for that, too. 🙂

Remender's Thunderbolts had Osborn brainwash him with tech. Sent him to kill Cage.

Simply channeling the Iron Fist in his murder attempts reversed it.

Danny would likely be one-shotted before he can reverse it. Remember, Az is one of the most skilled streets now and his stock will likely rise during Justice League Oddysey.

Shang Chi is one or the most skilled streets. Danny held his own, without using the Iron Fist.

Captain America couldn't one shot him, even though he was exausted from fighting the Wrecking Crew, and trying to get his help (So taking him down wouldn't be in his self interest. Meanwhile, Cap assumed he was fighting a murderer.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Shang Chi is one or the most skilled streets. Danny held his own, without using the Iron Fist.

Captain America couldn't one shot him, even though he was exausted from fighting the Wrecking Crew, and trying to get his help (So taking him down wouldn't be in his self interest. Meanwhile, Cap assumed he was fighting a murderer.)

Not by force, but through the swords. Those are Az's trump card. Not only can it negate energy, it can bring the toughest down, from Bane to Nightwing and Batman.

Bane caught it, so it won't cut off Danny's hand. Even if it negates a charged fist.

And negating one fist won't negate his entire chi. Just the hand. He can reignite it.

What kind of energy has it negated?

And has it ever soaked up an area attack? Sonic waves?

What will he do, if Danny simply nukes the arena?

Or if he chooses to drain his life force from a distance, as he has the ability to (As of the Living Weapon series.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Bane caught it, so it won't cut off Danny's hand. Even if it negates a charged fist.

And negating one fist won't negate his entire chi. Just the hand. He can reignite it.

What kind of energy has it negated?

And has it ever soaked up an area attack? Sonic waves?

What will he do, if Danny simply nukes the arena?

Or if he chooses to drain his life force from a distance, as he has the ability to (As of the Living Weapon series.)

He wasn't trying to kill him, though. His swords can negate the heat of the sun, which Fireball blasted him with. Danny's Chi won't be doing anything to Azrael. He's the perfect assassin, here.

Azrael explains the Suit of Sorrows, which makes him extremely durable. This training was designed to stump even Batman, but Azrael basically breezes through it.

The suit interfaces with my nervous system. It tells me where to strike the perfect blow.

Originally posted by Senor Cage

The suit interfaces with my nervous system. It tells me where to strike the perfect blow. [/B]

I like Azrael man. I even like his costume. But I still can't say he'd beat IF. Rand can kind of adjust his powers depending on the situation.

And hth there aren't too many anywhere on his level. Azrael knowing where to strike won't help him, if Danny drops him before he has a chance to apply that. Iron Fist has that power too btw.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I like Azrael man. I even like his costume. But I still can't say he'd beat IF. Rand can kind of adjust his powers depending on the situation.

And hth there aren't too many anywhere on his level. Azrael knowing where to strike won't help him, if Danny drops him before he has a chance to apply that. Iron Fist has that power too btw.

Well, you need to remember that the Suit of Sorrows gives the user the skills of the past wearers (Which are hundreds), which includes Batman. Iron Fist isn't more skilled in HTH than Batman. This is probably why Azrael was able to take on Cassandra Cain and Batwoman at the same time.

Book of the Iron Fist upgraded Danny's skills, to include all past Iron Fist's.

Batman isn't even the most skilled in the Bat family, let alone in comics.

I'd rate Danny up there with Shiva and Richard Dragon. Shang Chi is close to Marvel's equivilent, and Danny is only a hair below his skill level. If even.

He DID defeat Shen Kuei, who gave Shang all sorts of trouble back in the day.

Originally posted by cdtm
Book of the Iron Fist upgraded Danny's skills, to include all past Iron Fist's.

Batman isn't even the most skilled in the Bat family, let alone in comics.

I'd rate Danny up there with Shiva and Richard Dragon. Shang Chi is close to Marvel's equivilent, and Danny is only a hair below his skill level. If even.

He DID defeat Shen Kuei, who gave Shang all sorts of trouble back in the day.

I agree, but his high end feats stomp all over Danny's, like stalemating Three boot Karate Kid.

In current continuity, Cassandra Cain is the most skilled, but that didn't stop Azrael from nearly killing her. And Cain is up there with Shiva. A tad lower, imo.

Threeboot Val was very inconsistent. Current Val absolutely destroyed Batman,
and he wasn't even in his right mind.

Not to mention, one of Danny's high ends include knocking out Bres, someone who was manhandling Thor and soloing the Avengers, who resorted to weakness exploitation (He's vulnerable to Iron, so Shulk threw Iron Man at him. 🙂 )

Originally posted by cdtm
Threeboot Val was very inconsistent. Current Val absolutely destroyed Batman,
and he wasn't even in his right mind.

Not to mention, one of Danny's high ends include knocking out Bres, someone who was manhandling Thor and soloing the Avengers, who resorted to weakness exploitation (He's vulnerable to Iron, so Shulk threw Iron Man at him. 🙂 )

He wasn't that inconsistent. He lost to someone who read his mind, but that's it. He manhandled ultra and colossal boy. He also blew a hole out of that alien who was wrecking some of the Legion.