Originally posted by cdtm
Superman can't pull his durabiity.The Fearsome Five KO'd him. Mammoth tossed him around.
And then in round three, after he got his confidence back, he creamed them.
This was during the Byrne era, when he was trying to establish a psionic connection between Superman and his powers (Written by Marv Wolfman though. But he was probably deferring to Byrne on the current direction of the character, aa it was his project to revamp him.)
Gonna give another example to this cdtm, about his durability.
Originally posted by JBL
FALSE. In order for superman to absorb more sunlight to get stronger, he has to fly to the sun, Now do hulk jump into that dimension? And please don't embarrass yourself and others by bringing up that statement about superman absorbing more sunlight under stress. I'll destroy it in a flash.
Superman's powers period had "turned off" in the instance on Apokolips early Post-CRISIS. If you'd actually read it, you'd have seen he survived the Apokolips Firepits, but was KOed, and the one guy to witness it wasn't believed that someone could survive it. Superman is still unconscious, the guy puts Superman's hand on a flame to show, while Superman is unconscious he's uninjured. He wakes up and his powers are gone, and his hand gets burned. If he's just holding back his strength then just tries harder, instead of literally regulating his powers(meaning they're dynamic) how do you explain that?
You said to show Superman getting stronger without going into the Sun. He literally showed you, the scans for UP, UP AND AWAY after INFINITE CRISIS. He was powerless for a year, they showed his body wasn't absorbing solar energy beyond his skin tanning, and then later when being chased by villains trying to kill Clark, he gets hit by a train, left a hand imprint and got back up. And his powers jump multiple times during the storyline, and he does NOT go into the Sun.
You and Carter both fail to acknowledge this. Is it you're both too incompetent, or you both fully understand this ****s you over because you can't argue against it? And don't bring that bullshit you do about why it doesn't happen every time, this is a desperate attempt to divert attention from the fact you can't answer the questions without admitting you're wrong.
Also, you actually are weaker than a 12 year old girl, DarkSaint was just being nice by saying he convinces you.
....lol so did anybody really read the fight? I agree, Superman does hold back by a ton but was he holding back in his fight with Doomsday? doubtful. (correct me if i'm wrong)
"giving everything I got"
We have Deadman #3 stating Superman fighting for his life.
Writer's words and intent: like weary boxers who have both gone the limit.
the writer's words are of him going all out to protect Lois and jimmy
https://imgur.com/a/NIoM9WE
I don't read as much on Superman but There is no evidence to support superman holding back.
We see him bloodied, bruised and shaking.
He states numerous times he has to go harder and harder, the writer states he's gone the distance, deadman observing him stated he's fighting for his life and finally superman literally dies trying to bring doomsday down.
To make the claim superman subconsciously held back because earth 2 superman did slightly better, because while unconscious he's weaker, doesn't debunk the writer's intent.
If you have it, by all means post it. could be wrong
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
....lol so did anybody really read the fight? I agree, Superman does hold back by a ton but was he holding back in his fight with Doomsday? doubtful. (correct me if i'm wrong)"giving everything I got"
We have Deadman #3 stating Superman fighting for his life.
Writer's words and intent: like weary boxers who have both gone the limit.
the writer's words are of him going all out to protect Lois and jimmy
https://imgur.com/a/NIoM9WEI don't read as much on Superman but There is no evidence to support superman holding back.
We see him bloodied, bruised and shaking.
He states numerous times he has to go harder and harder, the writer states he's gone the distance, deadman observing him stated he's fighting for his life and finally superman literally dies trying to bring doomsday down.
To make the claim superman subconsciously held back because earth 2 superman did slightly better, because while unconscious he's weaker, doesn't debunk the writer's intent.If you have it, by all means post it. could be wrong
Everything you are saying was addressed in the first 30 posts in this thread via scans.
Yes, it's a fact that Superman held back sub consciously until the last few moments. And it's not up for dispute any longer.
Originally posted by panthergod
Everything you are saying was addressed in the first 30 posts in this thread via scans.Yes, it's a fact that Superman held back sub consciously until the last few moments. And it's not up for dispute any longer.
Where? Superman had confirmed he was fighting with everything he had. Superman stopped holding back after doomsday knocked out maxima and he died trying to kill him.
To suggest superman held back whilst dying trying to kill doomsday is ludicrous
Originally posted by abhilegend
It goes back as far as Action Comics 586.http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16479425/activebrain.jpg.html
Just a few recent examples.
Supergirl was literally dying from holding back herself.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Where? Superman had confirmed he was fighting with everything he had. Superman stopped holding back after doomsday knocked out maxima and he died trying to kill him.
To suggest superman held back whilst dying trying to kill doomsday is ludicrous
No, he's right. Superman absolutely went short of trying to kill Doomsday, while dying, until the very, very end. This is confirmed by the writers of the story, and by the story itself, where Lois tells him "But, you can't! You can't kill!".
It goes against his character to kill someone, even a monster, and that's why he never really went all in, until that last few panels. He wouldn't BE Superman if he used all of his strength, without holding back just enough to avoid accidentally breaking someone (As said in the World of Cardboard speech in the Timmverse Justice League Unlimited.)
