Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

Started by Baziemarc12312 pages

Originally posted by panthergod
War of the Supermen storyline.

I was being generous to Gladiator, as name Elite Kryptonians like Ursa and definitely Non are WELL above Gladiator in strength. Superman directly physically overpowered and outmuscles both of them simultaneously, twice.

Hell, 16 year old Kryptonians like post-Birthright Supergirl can 2-3 shot dominate a base-level Elite top tier Class 100(at minimum) level Superman and 2 shot KO'd Ultraman. Ursa specifically overpowered her in that same story.

Superman literally directly overpowered 5 adult male Kryptonian soldiers simultaneously with a single limb to two of their arms each. All New Kryptonians were defined as being the most powerful beings on Earth, on a par with 'Superman level' i.e. a generic term for Elite top tier in DC. Supergirl, previously established as being above base level Superman, was equal to another 16 year old New Kryptonian

Hell, Superman was also outmucling multiple time displaced versions of Gog II, where a single one teamwrecked the JSA, including Earth 22(psuedo Kingdom Come) Superman, and he also fought Source Amped Infinity Man to a stalemate.

Ah. sounds very interesting, you have that specific scan confirming those 5 New Kryptonians as being most powerful beings on Earth?

Originally posted by JBL
Gladiator has dynamic strength not superman. That's the difference between them. Gladiator was born with his powers and then went through the gladiator process to boost his powers and strength whereas superman had to be under a yellow sun on earth to get his powers. Totally different. But I like how Gladiator NOW gets credit for dynamic strength when superman fans claimed he didn't to protect Superman. Shall I have the responses put up for everyone to see how desperate superman fans will become for superman?

Gladiator was established by Byrne, who was also on record as claiming his Supermans physical abilities were psionic in nature.

The connections are pretty obvious.

Originally posted by panthergod
Gladiator is not powered by cosmic anything or sunlight you idiot.

Originally posted by JBL
Gladiator is not powered by cosmic anything or sunlight you idiot.

Please, continue showing everyone what an enormously hilarious illiterate dunce you are, kid.

i'll keep laughing.

😂

Originally posted by panthergod
Please, continue showing everyone what an enormously hilarious illiterate dunce you are, kid.

i'll keep laughing.

😂

I'm EMBARASSED for the heretic at this point!

Originally posted by panthergod
Please, continue showing everyone what an enormously hilarious illiterate dunce you are, kid.

i'll keep laughing.

😂

You lost dude. Abhil is a known liar now you have joined him for the sake of superman. But I enjoyed watching you make a complete Fool of yourself.Much appreciated.👍

So you still haven't shown us how Superman can get stronger with sun when his strength is set in stone.

We are waiting JBL.

Not a VS thread, moving.

Also, nice to see some things haven't changed.

Originally posted by panthergod
Pre Crisis Kryptonian dynamic power based on mental state. Back then it was called "Super-power of Suggestion". Byrne called it Psionic aspect/force of will.:

Superman 361:
Here's is Pre Crisis Superman 2020 turning off his powers with his mind:

https://imgur.com/a/kCJ4crM

Action 466:
Luthor causes Superman to physically and mentally REVERT INTO A TEENAGED BOY and then RETURN HIMSELF LYINTO A 30 YEAR OLD MAN DUE TO HIS CONFIDENCE/MENTAL STATE:
https://imgur.com/a/97mgjqN

The New-Superman of China series alludes to a mental aspect to Kryptonian powers. There's definite evidence in there, especially when they use the Qi techniques to help Supergirl moderate her power levels after she got supercharged.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
The New-Superman of China series alludes to a mental aspect to Kryptonian powers. There's definite evidence in there, especially when they use the Qi techniques to help Supergirl moderate her power levels after she got supercharged.

scan?

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
The New-Superman of China series alludes to a mental aspect to Kryptonian powers. There's definite evidence in there, especially when they use the Qi techniques to help Supergirl moderate her power levels after she got supercharged.

That's because the powers of the Kryptonians is charged in the "essence" of their cells aka the life force aka the Qi/Ki and that their powers are psionic in nature.

This had been developed in Doom Patrol earlier.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's because the powers of the Kryptonians is charged in the "essence" of their cells aka the life force aka the Qi/Ki and that their powers are psionic in nature.

This had been developed in Doom Patrol earlier.

I am shocked. SHOCKED. that you are honest enough to recognize this (yes, your precious Sentry is utterly derived from Superman in every important way, as is Plutonian).

anyway, this concept was established in PRE Crisis continuitty by Denny O'Neil. There, I ching(the entire New Superman storyline is derived from his run in the 1970s) teaches Superman that his power is stores in his chi aura.

I'll post the scans in sec.

in 2005, rick Veitch established via his Shamanic version of the Question that Superman radiates qi, and stores solar energy 'in the great battery of his soul":

https://imgur.com/a/cJfahLP

Byrne's electro-chemical/electromagnetic 'aura' concept is Superman's kirilian aura, his 'soul'.

Back in the 1970's, primary Superman writer Maggin established in his in continuity Novels LAst Son of Krypton and Miracle that Superman radiates life energy, plants become more healthy is his presence. He established that Superman can "see' souls which Mark Waid brought back Post Crisis in Birthright via his ability to see kirilian auras. He also established in the Kingdom Come Novelization(Kingdom Come=potential future of the Post Crisis DCU, until the 'Kingdom' sequel specifically prevented that future and it become a tributary of Hypertime; Kingdom Come Superman IS the divergent future Posr Crisis Byrne Superman.) that Superman's magick weakness is due to his own mind not understanding the nature of magick.

Originally posted by panthergod
I am shocked. SHOCKED. that you are honest enough to recognize this (yes, your precious Sentry is utterly derived from Superman in every important way, as is Plutonian).

anyway, this concept was established in PRE Crisis continuitty by Denny O'Neil. There, I ching(the entire New Superman storyline is derived from his run in the 1970s) teaches Superman that his power is stores in his chi aura.

I'll post the scans in sec.

in 2005, rick Veitch established via his Shamanic version of the Question that Superman radiates qi, and stores solar energy 'in the great battery of his soul":

https://imgur.com/a/cJfahLP

Byrne's electro-chemical/electromagnetic 'aura' concept is Superman's kirilian aura, his 'soul'.

Back in the 1970's, primary Superman writer Maggin established in his in continuity Novels LAst Son of Krypton and Miracle that Superman radiates life energy, plants become more healthy is his presence. He established that Superman can "see' souls which Mark Waid brought back Post Crisis in Birthright via his ability to see kirilian auras. He also established in the Kingdom Come Novelization(Kingdom Come=potential future of the Post Crisis DCU, until the 'Kingdom' sequel specifically prevented that future and it become a tributary of Hypertime; Kingdom Come Superman IS the divergent future Posr Crisis Byrne Superman.) that Superman's magick weakness is due to his own mind not understanding the nature of magick.

Lies. Superman's weak to magic due to how he is.

and he still is, don't make another lie where he's weak to magic because he wants to be.

Remember what Keith Giffen( the same writer of that Doom PAtrol run RW mentioned) wrote about the nature of Herald of Galactus' powersets in Annihilation..? their ambient cosmic energy absorption is stored in their kilrian auras, which determines how their distinct powersets manifest..:

Here's the Doom Patrol portrayal RW acknoeldged:
https://imgur.com/a/D1ihXo8

Yeah, Denny O'Neil established that about Superman in 1970. Maggin also elaborated on this concept as i noted. Rick Veitch made it clear in the Question series as I posted above

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Lies. Superman's weak to magic due to how he is.

and he still is, don't make another lie where he's weak to magic because he wants to be.


Shut the f*ck up and don't spam my thread again. last warning.

what's the relevance of the doom patrol scan? What does it mean for Superman power level really.

This thread is about acknowledging Superman's canonical powerset. your view on what is relevant is meaningless here.

Question's information on the Spire came from Lex's science department. He doesn't know what does or doesnt affect superman any more than the average person with access to the internet.

I.E Superman doesn't have Ki

excellent breakdown -- OWAW explicitly validates the Red Glass Storyline - Superman is in innate potential a peer to Skyfather level characters Darkseid( who when all out he can kill in combat), and can one-two shot kill his Elite top tier peers when he cuts loose, establishing his greatest fear on a sun conscious level is losing control and going insane with power if he taps his full potential, the rationale for his subconscious mind's dynamic holding back factor:

Red Glass pat 1:
https://imgur.com/a/aqMe98y

Red Glass pt 2:
https://imgur.com/a/vWZgIuJ

Red Glass pt 3:
https://imgur.com/a/FlRp62m

Originally posted by abhilegend
So just looking for chronology of Superman in OWAW, I found that Superman went to several levels

of power in one arc alone.

First, Mongul shows Superman that he is limiting his power and he needs to go all out if he wants

to beat Imperiex (Probe).

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But even then Superman struggled to even stagger the imperiex probe even with Mongul helping him.

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This same Superman was overpowerd by Validus created by Warworld easily. And Warworld could

easily create hundreds of such holograms.

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Then Superman went a level above and with very high difficulty managed to stalemate one probe who

even broke his arm and then defeated it.

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One level above when he managed to do it without getting his arm broken but was messed up by one

probe's explosion.

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Then a whole another level where he essentially oneshotted innumerable Probes like nothing.

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And yet another level when Brainiac 13 absorbs the entire power of Imperiex and has the total

power of Warworld at its command, Superman still manages to stalemate B13 in raw strength.

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And just how powerful was one probe? Fortress Eradicator saw just imperiex probe destroy entire

galaxies and had to fly away from lightyeard of aftershocks just to get away from it.

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One Imperiex probe destroyed Maxima's galaxy.

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The galaxies were destroyed by probes creating a construct and channeling their power to destroy

the galaxy whose power was then channeled into Imperiex's ship.

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OWAW/Apokolips Now re-established precedent what was shown through implication in te Krypton Man/Red Glass/Blaze-Satannus War/DoS waaay back in 1991/92 -- a fully unleashed Superman is multiple times more powerful than his standard Elite top tier Class 100 levels at the time, a peer to Darkseid in combat(H/P Supes for example, was nowhere near Darkseid in power), can 1-2 shot kill/destroy elite top tiers/trans(above top tier on average) tier Imperiex Probes when fully cutting loose, and is absolutely on a par with Skyfather class beings. We also saw this when he saw him match Kal-L(1/2 of Silver Age Superman) and both of them directly overpower SBP(who has Silver age levels)