Overmonitor was equal to BASE AM... That is to say, AM BEFORE he started destroying/absorbing positive matter universes -- back when he was 'just' powered by the anti-matter universe.
That said, 'peak' COIE AM is about 2x more powerful than a 'peak' Overmonitor. At his peak, AM was powered by the anti-matter universe AND a nigh-infinite amount of positive matter universes.
The monitor even at his weakest (when there were only a handful of positive matter universes left) created a netherverse which had the capacity to contain entire universes. He also put two universes inside of it and harbinger (who was powered by the monitor) added 3 later on.
So it's not like the monitor doesn't have reality warping abilities of his own to resist the IG. His scope is even greater so i would go with monitor if i had to pick one of the two.
Edit: Going by current version of IG, the monitor could mimic his universe moving technique to attack thanos who would be left helpless (Hickman's avengers explicitly showed that IG breaks upon attempting to push away a universe).
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes indeed.I was only talking about a forum battle, which is set on a neutral field.
Wouldn’t the IG by definition then be considered the strongest thing except for anything stated in marvel comic?
Wouldn’t we just compare the scope of power of the 2 characters when comparing them?
IG is basically near-omniscient in its universe. You can put majority of multiversal character from DC and couldn’t argue for them .
Originally posted by operator616What feats does Monitor have that suggest he can resist the IG's influence, though? Certainly the creation of his Netherverse isn't automatically indicative of such.
The monitor even at his weakest (when there were only a handful of positive matter universes left) created a netherverse which had the capacity to contain entire universes. He also put two universes inside of it and harbinger (who was powered by the monitor) added 3 later on.So it's not like the monitor doesn't have reality warping abilities of his own to resist the IG. His scope is even greater so i would go with monitor if i had to pick one of the two.
Edit: Going by current version of IG, the monitor could mimic his universe moving technique to attack thanos who would be left helpless (Hickman's avengers explicitly showed that IG breaks upon attempting to push away a universe).
And OP specified 'peak' versions.
Originally posted by Galan007
What feats does Monitor have that suggest he can resist the IG's influence, though? Certainly the creation of his Netherverse isn't automatically indicative of such.And OP specified 'peak' versions.
If we're using peak versions then it would invalidate your neutral setting statement. Because by putting them in a neutral setting i assume you're putting them both in a single positive matter universe, yes? That means you're compensating for Thanos' lack of scope while at the same time depowering the Monitor from a multiverse powered individual to single universe powered.
If we're truly using peak versions then the setting should be within an infinite multiverse where the monitor is fully powered and can use the multiversal setting to his liking, in which case Thanos' lack of scope will be his downfall.
And like i said, the monitor even when he was severely weakened manipulated 2 entire universes, moving them into a netherverse of his own creation. That to me suggests massive reality warping abilities. Not to mention stalemating AM for eons.
Originally posted by operator616You dodged my question entirely. What FEATS does Monitor have that suggest he can resist the IG's influence, like you previously stated? Manipulating 2 universes in a weakened state certainly does NOT suggest this.
And like i said, the monitor even when he was severely weakened manipulated 2 entire universes, moving them into a netherverse of his own creation. That to me suggests massive reality warping abilities. Not to mention stalemating AM for eons.
...And Magus demonstrated multi-universal influence with an incomplete IG(no reality gem), so yeah...
And that means what, exactly? Is Monitor going to start hurling universes at Thanos here, lol?
What's stopping the IG from dumping them both to a point in time where no matter(of any type) exists? Monitor would be powerless; the IG wouldn't.
I am usually never one to argue FOR the IG initially, but frankly, it has WAY too many options at its disposal... The likes of which I have never seen Monitor display/counter. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
And that means what, exactly? Is Monitor going to start hurling universes at Thanos here, lol?What's stopping the IG from dumping them both to a point in time where no matter(of any type) exists? Monitor would be powerless; the IG wouldn't.
I am usually never one to argue FOR the IG initially, but frankly, it has WAY too many options at its disposal... The likes of which I have never seen Monitor display/counter. /shrug
After all, he moved several at once.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
What if the IG just punches the Monitor in the face?