Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ziost is far better than anything RotS Sidious has done.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ziost isn’t more impressive than Nihilus, who Sidious scales above.The cosmic threat to the Force by his mere existence on Sidious’s part is a clearer comparison above all prior threats.
The thread is about Sidious' best feat, not Nihilus'.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Lal, ROTS Sids shifted the balance of the galaxy on his own.But why are we discussing only drain?
How about lightning?
Sids bends a lightsaber, Valk does, what exactly?Tk? Sids sinks he lumiskya, Valk does, what exactly?
TP? Sids holds trillions of beings in check, his predecessor reached out to everyone in the galaxy. Valk did, what exactly?
Stop tryna compare Drake to Nas, lal. Sheev was ilimatic, and he's stillmatic.
Valk "so far gone" from Sheev's tier.
1.Full context thanks.
2.Tbh, that's more of a feat for mace's physical amplification. Other than that it's below Nyriss tier. As it is proven time again, even by Sidious against Yoda, Lightsabers become redundant against lightning attacks, as they over whelm ones physical amplification to hold on to said lightsaber.
3.Sub Malak level.
4.Context, thanks.
Originally posted by Haschwalth2.Tbh, that's more of a feat for mace's physical amplification. Other than that it's below Nyriss tier. As it is proven time again, even by Sidious against Yoda, Lightsabers become redundant against lightning attacks, as they over whelm ones physical amplification to hold on to said lightsaber.
-> Bending a lightsaber blade
-> Knocking someone's light saber out of their hand
I think u can work out the difference
For god's sake. If one puts enough power in their Force lightning and constantly assault an adversary with it, they can bend a lightsabre's blade. That's what Palpatine did. It wasn't just a normal lightning attack, it was Palpatine pouring all his strength into it. Call me when Valkorion shows his full power in games, because as far as I have seen, he does not have too.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
plagueis reaching out to everyone in the galaxy is more impressive than ziost lal
The first doesn't even require mental defenses nor is a display of Telepathy. It's a just a metaphor. It's similar to what Jedi do when they can contact other individuals across the galaxy. Not that it is the case here given it is a metaphor. Because I am pretty sure Plagueis wouldn't be stupid enough to send his thoughts and intentions across the Jedi's Foresight.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
-> Bending a lightsaber blade
-> Knocking someone's light saber out of their handI think u can work out the difference
you missed the point, whats keeping the lightsaber from being flung out of maces hand, his Physical amplification, this leads to a build up of strain on the lightsaber, hence it started to bend. to bend a lightsaber, you clearly have to overpower said weapon, we have seen force barriers/tutamini's match the power of a lightsaber, infact, with the case of Arcann/Valkorian it is evident that his force barrier>>arcanns lightsaber, as weaker force users have done the same with said lightsaber. except the difference, is it's not offensive, hence the lightsaber wouldn't bend unless one applied enough force on the lightsaber, which could only happen via augmentation strong enough, which generally is not the case. You seriously overrate the bending of a lightsaber, via the force. when you have unuthul bending back turbolazers, each far more powerful than a lightsaber, etc. think of it comparatively in terms of energy. You have people TKing ships, yet unable to barely move an opponent armed with the force.
Originally posted by Haschwalth
you missed the point, whats keeping the lightsaber from being flung out of maces hand, his Physical amplification, this leads to a build up of strain on the lightsaber, hence it started to bend. to bend a lightsaber, you clearly have to overpower said weapon, we have seen force barriers/tutamini's match the power of a lightsaber, infact, with the case of Arcann/Valkorian it is evident that his force barrier>>arcanns lightsaber, as weaker force users have done the same with said lightsaber. except the difference, is it's not offensive, hence the lightsaber wouldn't bend unless one applied enough force on the lightsaber, which could only happen via augmentation strong enough, which generally is not the case. You seriously overrate the bending of a lightsaber, via the force. when you have unuthul bending back turbolazers, each far more powerful than a lightsaber, etc. think of it comparatively in terms of energy. You have people TKing ships, yet unable to barely move an opponent armed with the force.
1. Are you seriously trying to argue Mace’s physical amplification is stronger than Sidious’ lightning? Let’s say this is the case, as Sidious’ lightning was too much for mace’s physical amplification to keep at bay with a lightsaber, Sidious still outclasses valk’s lightning.
2. -> Matching the energy of a limited number of attack
-> Overpowering all the of energy of a weapon capable of indefinite attacks
I think you can work out the difference.
3. Unuthul is >> Valk, lal
4. Lightning =/ Tk
1. Mace, with his Vaapad amp managed to hold Sidious's lightning at bay, and yes this is an indication of maces's Physical amp, being able to hold onto the lightsaber without it blowing away. Sidious has shown no such thing during his ROTS incarnation, to be greater than Vitiate's lightning.
2.what are you on? a lightsaber gives of a certain amount of energy per second, it's consistent. blocking it with a force shield is matching said energy from a lightsaber per second. to overwhelm a lightsaber you need to give off more energy per second than the lightsaber can put out, which is easy considering Valkorian is far beyond Foundry Revan, who could already sustain lightsaber blocking barriers. Your whole notion of it being impressive is silly, ngl.
3.Prove that claim.
4. Their has to be some parity, otherwise Tking or lightning would be pointless in battle, As you would always opt for the more potent attack. Say, you can tk a star destroyer, but when you use that same strength tk, on a more powerful force user, it will do shit. You proceed to use lightning, that you claim is not the same in terms of energy, it would then do nothing to said opponent, as it is not powerful enough.
Their is always a certain level of power(energy) that we have to scale in fiction to get a good idea of how potent their strength is. It's like saying a Grenade is useful in a fight between nuclear weapons.