RotS Sidious' Best Power Feat vs Valkorion's

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
-> Explicitly described in the novel
-> Is shown in the movie just as the novel described it
-> Just a metaphor

'Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone.' is not explicit, something being bent back is just a rhetorical way of saying its being pushed back.

Nor is it shown happening in the movie. The literal opposite is, actually. Mace is constantly able to push his lightsaber forwards towards Sidious. I assume you mean when the prop wobbles in Jacksons hand a bit, in which case lol.

Besides which when Satele grabs Malgus' lightsaber the physical strain of him pushing it towards her actually cracks the blade so it really wouldn't be that impressive even if this myth were true (it isn't).

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Plus, frankly, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize bending a lightsaber blade isn't as good as vaporizing all life on a planet, ffs.

Does Palpatine even have any force powers? I was under the assumption his lightning came from his immense political powers.

He just constantly rolls 6's to bluff.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Does Palpatine even have any force powers? I was under the assumption his lightning came from his immense political powers.

Jar Jar gives a small hint to it when he gives Sheev emergency power.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nor is it shown happening in the movie. The literal opposite is, actually. Mace is constantly able to push his lightsaber forwards towards Sidious. I assume you mean when the prop wobbles in Jacksons hand a bit, in which case lol.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
1. Mace, with his Vaapad amp managed to hold Sidious's lightning at bay, and yes this is an indication of maces's Physical amp, being able to hold onto the lightsaber without it blowing away. Sidious has shown no such thing during his ROTS incarnation, to be greater than Vitiate's lightning.

2.what are you on? a lightsaber gives of a certain amount of energy per second, it's consistent. blocking it with a force shield is matching said energy from a lightsaber per second. to overwhelm a lightsaber you need to give ]off more energy per second than the lightsaber can put out, which is easy considering Valkorian is far beyond Foundry Revan, who could already sustain lightsaber blocking barriers. Your whole notion of it being impressive is silly, ngl.

The feat you cited isn't in the same league as what Palpatine did.

3.Prove that claim.

when you have unuthul bending back turbolazers

4. Their has to be some parity, otherwise Tking or lightning would be pointless in battle, As you would always opt for the more potent attack. Say, you can tk a star destroyer, but when you use that same strength tk, on a more powerful force user, it will do shit. You proceed to use lightning, that you claim is not the same in terms of energy, it would then do nothing to said opponent, as it is not powerful enough.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The novel also has Mace pushing against Sidious, lal, the're no difference here.

I just checked it and it doesn't so that's a flat out lie.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The movie has the lightsaber blade bend towards Mace as the novel describes.

No it doesn't. I just watched the scene in slow-mo on youtube and it wobbles back and forth as he moves it. So maybe try explaining how Sheevs lightning also bends it towards him as well if you will.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm not going to accept "prop wobble" as an explanation without proof.

Do you even know how they do the lightsaber effects in the movie? The prop is a long plastic tube that they CGI the effect over later. If the blade wobbles in the movie, the prop must also have wobbled in Jacksons hand since that's how the effect works. QED.

1. No, it shows the Mace can at least counter the strain of the force lightning via his lightsaber. Generally when a person is over whelmed physically, it gets blown away.

2.Facepalm, you don't really grasp what is occurring.(It's not a great feat FYI) And in no way is that close to ending a Dark council of 9 sith Lords within a flash.(Obviously referencing his lightning, as that is his primary offensive skill.

3.Razing a planets surface>>>>>Bending back a barrage of turbolasers. It was done via his own personal power. And just please don't go off on a tangent, saying stuff like, b-but, Valkorian hasn't shown this level of strength via Telekinesis, it's a stupid argument. You can nearly always scale the level of tk they have, via the feats they have done. Otherwise you would have planet razors barely being able to life ships.

4.what.... I was referring to parity in terms of energy between attacks(Lightning,Tk) e.g. you fire a canon at a concrete wall it goes right through(this is telekensis, over whelming opponents force Barrier.) you then proceed to through a basketball, at a rebuilt wall, it will bounce off, because it did not have enough force to break the wall(Barrier).(this is force lightning in your opinion.) I'm saying the lightning has to be as potent as the TK to break through the barrier. even though it's not shown to be as impressive, with affects on the environment.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
1. No, it shows the Mace can at least counter the strain of the force lightning via his lightsaber. Generally when a person is over whelmed physically, it gets blown away.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Plus, frankly, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize bending a lightsaber blade isn't as good as vaporizing all life on a planet, ffs.

1. My claim is that the lightsaber started to bend from the force applied from both Mace/Sidious's lightning pushing against each other. It's not hard to grasp.

2.We are because you don't grasp how energy works.

3.You brought up unuthuls Turbo Lazer feat which is completely irrelevant when claiming unu thul>Valkorian, that has nothing to do with lightning. So I brought up Valkorion's planet razing feat as a counter, in terms of power.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Plus, frankly, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize bending a lightsaber blade isn't as good as vaporizing all life on a planet, ffs.

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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Plus, frankly, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize bending a lightsaber blade isn't as good as vaporizing all life on a planet, ffs.

I haven't seen a good rebuttal to EoTPM Sidious's unbalancing feat, which strikes me as the most potent demonstration of power to that point in galactic history.

Lmao, ok sure thing give Sidious Plagueis' help and several months of intense meditation and he can beat Valk you win.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lmao, ok sure thing give Sidious Plagueis' help and several months of intense meditation and he can beat Valk you win.

No, I'm referring to the events described in the prologue to Plagueis (aka the chronological end).

Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, I'm referring to the events described in the prologue to Plagueis (aka the chronological end).

Plagueis's death?
I'll bring up Valkorion's.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, I'm referring to the events described in the prologue to Plagueis (aka the chronological end).

Plagueis' death sends ripples through the Force and somehow that's Palpatine's feat/power?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, I'm referring to the events described in the prologue to Plagueis (aka the chronological end).

Then I don't know what you mean.

She talks when those voices cheered Palpatine's name(it was in his head)