Thanos w/soul gem vs. JLA Black Lanterns

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

Originally posted by zopzop
THEY HAVE NO SOUL. Neither does Nekron. The Soul Gem is literally worthless here.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

How does that differ from the minions that he pulled in to fight Anni's horde of bugs? The dead have no souls either way. The ones that he pulled in to fight for him were no different. I'm just saying that it's not as cut and dry as several people may believe.

Karmic blasts may work as well.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.

How can you use the soul gem to manipulate someone who has no soul?

Originally posted by Stoic
How does that differ from the minions that he pulled in to fight Anni's horde of bugs? The dead have no souls either way. The ones that he pulled in to fight for him were no different. I'm just saying that it's not as cut and dry as several people may believe.

For Thanos to take them over, he would need to outwrestle them from Nekron First.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, that's not what happened in those scans. Like, at all. In fact, Larfleeze and Sinestro BOTH explicitly claim to be on the verge of making the "kill-shot", before Hal stops them.

Also, this Superman was basically under mind control- meaning he still had a soul, and Thanos could control him, along with all of the other living BL's.

Regardless, Nekron himself would crush Thanos akin to me crushing a gnat with a newspaper.

Nekron's shtick is control over dead/souls, not the mind. It's why he couldn't just outright take over everyone. That's an important distinction in this discussion.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why would that matter to Thanos? Are the BL's dead or alive? Thanos is a cosmically charged mystical being, and has used this power in the past to usurp powers well above his station. Prep or no prep. With the Soul Gem, he could take whichever BL to Soul world that he so chose. I really think that he's being undersold here. No one is talking about him facing off against Nekron, but at the same time this does not negate his ability to control the dead. Being hit by the BL's may just feel good to Thanos as well. There's just a whole mess of things that needs to be proven in order to say that Thanos becomes the victim in this case.

This is all the proof you'll need:

soul gem was ineffective against amped brute (warlock #5), inbetweener (#11), triax, man beast's energy being, count abyss and his wraiths, against valkyrie mental construct (W&TIW #5, 6, 16, 23 respectively).

etc...

It is completely useless against beings without a soul/spirit. So no, he definitely can't suck them into soul world.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
They are dead but without a soul

How can you use the soul gem to manipulate someone who has no soul?

Thanos can manipulate the dead without even using the Soul Gem. He didn't have it when he summoned hordes of dead to fight for him. The dead have no souls. He didn't have the Soul Gem and was able to do this under his own power.

I repeat, the dead that Thanos summoned to fight against Anni and his bugs and turn the tide had no souls either. They were dead.

Originally posted by Stoic
Karmic blasts may work as well.

Karmic blasts vs soul-less wraiths:

https://imgur.com/PNc54CI

"absolutely no effect"

Karmic attack vs Strange:

https://imgur.com/f3FaVRL
https://imgur.com/OHX6Eif

Note: This is not Stephen Strange, but rather one of the two constructs he created at the time to replace him. As such, it had no spirit/soul.

Originally posted by operator616
Karmic blasts vs soul-less wraiths:

https://imgur.com/PNc54CI

"absolutely no effect"

Karmic attack vs Strange:

https://imgur.com/f3FaVRL
https://imgur.com/OHX6Eif

Note: This is not Stephen Strange, but rather one of the two constructs he created at the time to replace him. As such, it had no spirit/soul.

Okay so the Soul Gem is useless. Now that we've cleared that up, Thanos can still control the dead and soul-less just like Hank Henshaw can control tech.

This may be like putting Thanos in his element and believing that it would somehow be a detriment to him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Okay so the Soul Gem is useless. Now that we've cleared that up, Thanos can still control the dead and soul-less just like Hank Henshaw can control tech.

This may be like putting Thanos in his element and believing that it would somehow be a detriment to him.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's the thing. They're not souless as in reanimated zombies or other undead. They are more like puppets being controlled by the Black Rings. So unless Thanos is rocking Emotional Spectrum energies that combine Green + any other color (to sever the Rings connection to their puppet) he's screwed.

Originally posted by zopzop
THEY HAVE NO SOUL. Neither does Nekron. The Soul Gem is literally worthless here.

It's the RINGS that are animating the corpses. Not a spirit or anything else.

Lmao, they don't have souls, but they're not souless?

Regardless, yes, Thanos would need emotional spectrum energy to sever the rings connection. However, no one is saying he would do that in the first place. We're saying that, at least in the case of BL's who have souls, which all the most powerful of them do, Thanos could easily take control of them FROM Nekron.

So against all the BL's, Thanos would win, because he'd have the strongest one's on his side (Superman, Martian Manhunter, Bart Allen, Wonder Woman, etc.), due to the soul gem. Without it, he'd get stomped by the combo of un-dead heavy hitters like Superman and co.

Even assuming he could win however, he'd still get no-sold by Nekron- who can casually overpower beings like the Anti-monitor and individual White Lanterns.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Lmao, they don't have souls, but they're not souless?

The Soul Gem is useless here.

This is neither here nor there, but I could see Thanos getting super jacked on Black Lantern energy. If it were ever written up that he had a run in with the BL's, I could see him actually taking Nekron's place. He's been in grander positions after all.

Anyway, this is a very interesting topic imo.

Originally posted by Stoic
This is neither here nor there, but I could see Thanos getting super jacked on Black Lantern energy. If it were ever written up that he had a run in with the BL's, I could see him actually taking Nekron's place. He's been in grander positions after all.

Anyway, this is a very interesting topic imo.

Now your just throwing things out to make Thanos look good.

The only person not a Green Lantern that has outright over powered BL ring with pure will was Prime.

No one were shown to get jacked of BL energies but BL’s.

Thanos has been higher than Nekron twice in his career.
1. He was manipulated to fix the flaw
2. In this new run when he becomes death.

I take it back, #2 doesn’t count because Nekron is far higher in the pecking order than Marvel Death.

Originally posted by zopzop
You misunderstood me. I was saying they're not souless beings like animated zombies or other undead (who are sometimes portrayed as souless). They're more similar to puppets on a string and the Black Ring is the puppeteer. That's why the Ring's connection to the BL has to be severed before they can be put down.

The Soul Gem is useless here.

Not ignoring you btw. If Thanos gets laid out then so be it. I just can't help but think that a BL ring would immediately be drawn to him in a comic setting.

His abilities are also far reaching. Because of his connection to mystical forces, he can and has bent the laws of probability in the past. He was able to get into direct contact with Galactus who was thought to have near impregnable psi shields. Even Krona had to go through literally beating Galactus to death, and he was still no closer to the answer than when he began. Thanos was in full contact with him.

IMO he'd rip your average BL apart with ease. Darkseid fought Zeus, and their battle scorched mountains, while Thanos was obliterating planetoids. Not sure how anyone can call that a weak average? We also can't forget that he was flying, so as far as I can tell he isn't a land locked opponent. If he went down he'd take a lot of them with him. He was able to summon hordes of the dead capable of repelling and defeating Annihilus's wave. Also Nekron is overkill, can he technically.be considered a BL?

Originally posted by Stoic
Not ignoring you btw.

IMO he'd rip your average BL apart with ease.

Originally posted by SquallX
Now your just throwing things out to make Thanos look good.

The only person not a Green Lantern that has outright over powered BL ring with pure will was Prime.

No one were shown to get jacked of BL energies but BL’s.

Thanos has been higher than Nekron twice in his career.
1. He was manipulated to fix the flaw
2. In this new run when he becomes death.

I take it back, #2 doesn’t count because Nekron is far higher in the pecking order than Marvel Death.

Thanos The End, while not being counted as canon, did happen. Either way he has been in loftier positions than Nekron. Which means nothing here, because I'm not sure pulling the Nekron trap card is even fair really.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, that's not what happened in those scans. Like, at all. In fact, Larfleeze and Sinestro BOTH explicitly claim to be on the verge of making the "kill-shot", before Hal stops them.

Uh-huh. I'm sure "kill shot" means Superman just stood there and took their attacks without any damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh. I'm sure "kill shot" means Superman just stood there and took their attacks without any damage.

What are you arguing? That BL Superman can tank Sinestro and Larfleeze's attacks with no damage? That's simply false. Even Allen Scott was able to take on BL Superman of Earth 2, for a time.

Lol, Larfleeze and Sinestro could have killed BL Superman, according to themselves, supported by the statement of Hal Jordan. All that would really take, however, is overloading his BL ring with emotional energy.

Not sure how this matters in regards to Thanos vs the BLC though.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
What are you arguing? That BL Superman can tank Sinestro and Larfleeze's attacks with no damage? That's simply false. Even Allen Scott was able to take on BL Superman of Earth 2, for a time.

Lol, Larfleeze and Sinestro could have killed BL Superman, according to themselves, supported by the statement of Hal Jordan. All that would really take, however, is overloading his BL ring with emotional energy.

Not sure how this matters in regards to Thanos vs the BLC though.

Sinestro and Larfleeze stated that they wanted to kill Superman, not that they were capable of the same.

Hal would've just created white light with Sinestro and Larfleeze, it got nothing to do with power.

It was just to show how powerful BL were.