This is a quote accurately describing marxists and intersectional progressives who think people should be treated differently or held to different standards based on their birth:
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”-CS Lewis
Originally posted by snowdragon
Which is why I specifically used it in reference to the govt. Also, you do realize that fascism is left, specifically taking control of the govt and removing rights of its citizens.Left is force, right is less force.
Not really, this is an internet trope, Fascism, as it was described for the early 20th century in Italy and Germany, is right wing. Left-wing Fascism is a construct of people like Jonah Goldberg in an attempt to deny fascism is right wing, despite the support of conservatives to Hitler and Mussolini in the early days. This tactic of misdirection usually relies on taking the straw man broadsides heaved at liberalism by wingnuts and finding commonalities between them and some fascist program; for example, noting that Nazi Germany had large public works projects, and since liberals also favour public works projects while conservatives do not, liberals must also be fascists. The Political Compass generally rates fascists as in the economic centre, well to the left of today's right-wing politicians but well to the right of socialist figures.
But I do love the way kids defend the far right here... No, no I don't.
Originally posted by Putinbot1Same with the far left, but because it's a part of your chosen side in this tribal war, you choose to ignore them.
Not all I have to say, however, the easiest side to choose is right or wrong and when you are talking about the Far right it is always wrong.
Originally posted by snowdragonWrong, that's authoritarianism vs libertarianism. Nothing to do with left and right.
Which is why I specifically used it in reference to the govt. Also, you do realize that fascism is left, specifically taking control of the govt and removing rights of its citizens.Left is force, right is less force.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
Not really, this is an internet trope, Fascism, as it was described for the early 20th century in Italy and Germany, is right wing. Left-wing Fascism is a construct of people like Jonah Goldberg in an attempt to deny fascism is right wing, despite the support of conservatives to Hitler and Mussolini in the early days. This tactic of misdirection usually relies on taking the straw man broadsides heaved at liberalism by wingnuts and finding commonalities between them and some fascist program; for example, noting that Nazi Germany had large public works projects, and since liberals also favour public works projects while conservatives do not, liberals must also be fascists. The Political Compass generally rates fascists as in the economic centre, well to the left of today's right-wing politicians but well to the right of socialist figures.
You clearly don't have to agree with it, you obviously don't believe in it but that doesn't make it any less so. Fascism favors the left, not the right. Whenever the state assumes power more power that is the left in the govt when people have more freedom that is the right.
Now clearly you will that night and day but that doesn't diminish the fact the the left is more govt control fascism, communism, socialism, the right is democracy, capitalism etc
Originally posted by snowdragonI mean, you're factually incorrect, but sure, keep going. But it'd be better if you took some time out to do some research and come back with a better grasp of the topic of discussion.
You clearly don't have to agree with it, you obviously don't believe in it but that doesn't make it any less so. Fascism favors the left, not the right. Whenever the state assumes power more power that is the left in the govt when people have more freedom that is the right.Now clearly you will that night and day but that doesn't diminish the fact the the left is more govt control fascism, communism, socialism, the right is democracy, capitalism etc
Wrong, that's authoritarianism vs libertarianism. Nothing to do with left and right.
In your search to be right, you narrowed descriptions to only fit your definitions and not those around you. If you want to play in the discussion then you need to explain your terms and not try to correct others, because you are incorrect in this case for our discussion.
Originally posted by snowdragonThe far right is really looking at inequality of outcome, this is where labelling them all together becomes difficult. The modern far right is desperate and has a variety of ideologies. Some of those are extremely Authoritarian. Juan Linz described these aspects of the far right in his seminal work on Authoritarianism. Francoist Spain, for example, has many commonalities with Trumps administration. The central leader, like most fascist regimes Trumps America relies on passive acceptance to succeed and this is why it will fail.
You clearly don't have to agree with it, you obviously don't believe in it but that doesn't make it any less so. Fascism favors the left, not the right. Whenever the state assumes power more power that is the left in the govt when people have more freedom that is the right.Now clearly you will that night and day but that doesn't diminish the fact the the left is more govt control fascism, communism, socialism, the right is democracy, capitalism etc
Originally posted by Putinbot1
The far right is really looking at inequality of outcome, this is where labelling them all together becomes difficult. The modern far right is desperate and has a variety of ideologies. Some of those are extremely Authoritarian. Juan Linz described these aspects of the far right in his seminal work on Authoritarianism. Francoist Spain, for example, has many commonalities with Trumps administration. The central leader, like most fascist regimes Trumps America relies on passive acceptance to succeed and this is why it will fail.
I can see that would be a problem in Europe. I think that in the USA we are going to get a sweep to the left in our Congress.
Originally posted by EmperordmbThe ignorance here can be astounding sometimes. I see authoritarianism more as a means to an end that is used by both sides of the political spectrum to achieve their goals – it's essentially just a highly effective if immoral way of asserting dominance of ideals.
Yeah I’m with Scribble on this one, snowdragon and putinbot are both saying authoritarianism solely belongs to the other side of the spectrum and that is not accurate.
But people get so caught up in the left / right dichotomy that they're convinced that because their tribe is correct, 'authoritarian' must just be an adjective for the opposing side.