Why is this even a question? Luke wins. There's no chance. Luke projected himself over half the galaxy, and lived until he decided to give himself to the Force. Rey, if she'd tried to create a force bond with Kylo over that distance, would have died! She has no chance against a god of the Force like Luke Skywalker.
Originally posted by MythLordWith a TK wave that she would be wholly unprepared to defend against? I beg to differ, lol.
The ability to push a few Stormtroopers is not enough to suggest he can pwn Rey, lol.
*Keep in mind, I am simply talking about Luke defending against Rey's initial attack(*see the stips of this thread*) with said TK wave, by sending her soaring backward. I'm not saying that the one attack would be enough to defeat her outright(I don't think TLJ Luke would go there right off the bat.)
Originally posted by Galan007
With a TK wave that she would be wholly unprepared to defend against? I beg to differ, lol.
I mean, sure, you can make the very real argument that RotJ Luke is > Kylo and Rey in the Force, but knocking over Stormtroopers isn't a feat I'd mention to prove it.
The premise of this thread is essentially "what if Rey actually attacked Luke with her lightsaber in this scene..?":
You're not going to convince me that Rey had some sort of esoteric "anti-TK" shield in place there, because there is literally NO reason at all to assume she did.
So yes, a TK wave powerful enough to send multiple Storm Troopers hurling across the room would undoubtedly be enough own/counter Rey in that moment. Honestly not sure why you would think otherwise..?
Originally posted by Galan007
The premise of this thread is essentially "what if Rey actually attacked Luke with her lightsaber in this scene..?":You're not going to convince me that Rey had some sort of esoteric "anti-TK" shield in place there, because there is literally NO reason at all to assume she did.
Originally posted by Galan007
So yes, a TK wave powerful enough to send multiple Storm Troopers hurling across the room would undoubtedly be enough own/counter Rey in that moment. Honestly not sure why you would think otherwise..?
Originally posted by MythLordOh I know what the ability is called, "lmfao"... But we also aren't discussing Legends at this point -- we're discussing canon.
That "esoteric Anti-TK shield" you're referring to is called a Force Barrier, lmfao. It's a common move in Star Wars and every Force user can do it, especially in the heat of combat.
Anywho, what I would like YOU to prove(instead of just throwing around these faux-insults of yours) is that Rey knew how to use that specific technique at all. I'd also like proof that she was using a shield while she sparred with Luke during the scene in question.
If you can't provide said proof(and I'm positive you can't), then just concede the point and move on. Pretending like Rey can use abilities she likely has no knowledge of, and without proof to suggest she was actually doing so in a particular instance, is ridiculously fallacious... The "just cuz" argument doesn't work for me.
Originally posted by MythLordIt would certainly own Rey. Would it take her out of the fight completely? Maybe not, but it would indeed be enough to send her careening into another hut or somesuch.
It would send her flying back. It would not "own her" given her ability to tank close-range explosions well before even realizing she can use the Force.
Why? Because as I said: if Luke TK'd Rey in this moment:
...She would essentially be defenseless/unguarded, and completely at the TK wave's mercy.
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh I know what the ability is called, "lmfao"... But we also aren't discussing Legends at this point -- we're discussing canon.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anywho, what I would like YOU to prove(instead of just throwing around these faux-insults of yours) is that Rey knew how to use that specific technique at all. I'd also like proof that she was using a shield while she sparred with Luke during the scene in question.If you can't provide said proof(and I'm positive you can't), then just concede the point and move on. Pretending like Rey can use abilities she likely has no knowledge of, and without proof to suggest she was actually doing so in a particular instance, is ridiculously fallacious... The "just cuz" argument doesn't work for me.
Originally posted by Galan007
It would certainly own Rey. Would it take her out of the fight completely? Maybe not, but it would indeed be enough to send her careening into another hut or somesuch.Why? Because as I said: if Luke TK'd Rey in this moment:
...She would essentially be defenseless/unguarded, and completely at the TK wave's mercy.
Unless I am missing an example or two, no force user depicted in PT era, or post PT era material, be it legends or canon has repelled a force attack without actively gesturing to counter it. And even if there is an example or two, the vast majority of cases don't have any such thing.
There is no "sphere" of energy or any kind of barrier or a cocoon protecting force users all the time.
