Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what Metron said.
So no conclusive proof for your claims then? Even you must admit that your interpretation is ambiguous at best.
And either way why are you equating restoration with space/time manipulation? Your feats count as matter manipulation, all they did is put the system back to its previous state (which i guess counts as entropic manipulation as well). And resurrecting people isn't space/time manipulation either. It's jump-starting neutrons again or soul manipulation depending if the writer takes a reductionist or non-reductionist approach to this matter.
You are confused as to what exactly entails space/time or reality warping. Im assuming you're not familiar with special/general relativity? Einstein taught us that space and time are malleable things just like matter is; space/time is continuous and not quantized like matter is but nonetheless it can be warped (hence there are things called length contraction and time dilation). What you're posting is merely matter/atomic manipulation, non of these instances entails manipulating space-time or reality.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Would you like to share these reality warping feats for Grandmaster?
Original GM was an absolute beast. He could literally wipe beings from existence, as if they never even existed. And he could have done it to the whole planet too:
https://imgur.com/bJtln3b
https://imgur.com/ouo7ILE
He has almost complete control over space/time and able to alter history as he deems it to be:
He granted Kang the power to casually beat the avengers and cap mentioned that his power is greater than even the cosmic cube:
When Makkari went into hyperspeed mode and beat the runner, he got stuck in that mode and everyone appeared to him as statues, except other speedsters or beings who can actually manipulate space/time like the Grandmaster:
He can create things out of nothing:
A reality re-writer indeed:
When you look at GM and compare him with highfather and ganthet, it's quite clear that they have different power sets.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer or Hal have not restored entire planets after they are devastated.
Hal has literally re-structured the JLA members atom by atom when they were vaporized with a molecular de-adhesion gun. It's the exact same as your feats only on a smaller scale. And either way, Kyle has re-created an entire world in GL annual #6. And silver surfer has restored a planet in silver surfer v3 #104 and in v5 #14.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also Grandmaster creating Squadron Sinister was retconned as him tapping into a wellspring of power.So much for reality warping.
Why does it matter what's his power source? Do we say Dr Strange can't call upon principalities in a forum fight? Because if not he'd be technically powerless. Or better yet, do you see me saying that HF can't use his staff which taps into the power of the source? Because without it he's weak as sh*t.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Highfather has cut apart space/time as well to show another cosmos where he could've banished Orion.http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-New-Gods-1995/Issue-8?id=88511
cutting time/space in comics usually means opening portals, you should know that by now. And while that technically is space/time maipulation, it's a minor thing to do and doesn't make you a reality warper. Thor does it on the regular.
Originally posted by operator616
So no conclusive proof for your claims then? Even you must admit that your interpretation is ambiguous at best.
Right, these are ambiguous but not for grandmaster.
And either way why are you equating restoration with space/time manipulation? Your feats count as matter manipulation, all they did is put the system back to its previous state (which i guess counts as entropic manipulation as well). And resurrecting people isn't space/time manipulation either. It's jump-starting neutrons again or soul manipulation depending if the writer takes a reductionist or non-reductionist approach to this matter.
Uh-huh. Only what you say is reality manipulation. Nothing else counts.
You are confused as to what exactly entails space/time or reality warping. Im assuming you're not familiar with special/general relativity? Einstein taught us that space and time are malleable things just like matter is; space/time is continuous and not quantized like matter is but nonetheless it can be warped (hence there are things called length contraction and time dilation). What you're posting is merely matter/atomic manipulation, non of these instances entails manipulating space-time or reality.
Thanks for the science lecture for the thing I already know.
Original GM was an absolute beast. He could literally wipe beings from existence, as if they never even existed. And he could have done it to the whole planet too:
Yes, from his original appearance where every villain shines. This ability never shows up again.
He has almost complete control over space/time and able to alter history as he deems it to be:
Retconned away.
He granted Kang the power to casually beat the avengers and cap mentioned that his power is greater than even the cosmic cube:
Silver age hyperbole at its best.
When Makkari went into hyperspeed mode and beat the runner, he got stuck in that mode and everyone appeared to him as statues, except other speedsters or beings who can actually manipulate space/time like the Grandmaster:
Not reality warping. Someone like Zoom can do better than that.
He can create things out of nothing:
That's like GL lite.
A reality re-writer indeed:
Right, being mentioned in a sentence with actual reality warper makes you a reality warper when Grandmaster has never done something like that.
When you look at GM and compare him with highfather and ganthet, it's quite clear that they have different power sets.
No, they are all plot devices who can do pretty much anything story requires. Ganthet has literally ripped space time apart with his bare hands.
Hal has literally re-structured the JLA members atom by atom when they were vaporized with a molecular de-adhesion gun. It's the exact same as your feats only on a smaller scale. And either way, Kyle has re-created an entire world in GL annual #6. And silver surfer has restored a planet in silver surfer v3 #104 and in v5 #14.
Kyle was in such a realm where imagine could create substance.
Surfer didn't restore any planet in either SS 104 or v5 14. What are you talking about?
Why does it matter what's his power source? Do we say Dr Strange can't call upon principalities in a forum fight? Because if not he'd be technically powerless. Or better yet, do you see me saying that HF can't use his staff which taps into the power of the source? Because without it he's weak as sh*t.
Because both Strange and Highfather use that power in pretty much every appearance and if they aren't, it's explicitly mentioned.
Grandmaster doesn't. This is just nonsense you're talking now.
cutting time/space in comics usually means opening portals, you should know that by now. And while that technically is space/time maipulation, it's a minor thing to do and doesn't make you a reality warper. Thor does it on the regular.
Right, when Grandmaster does it, it's reality manipulation but when highfather does it, it isn't.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
Well unless you can show it, and Zemo with moonstone is op af
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Contest-of-Champions-2015/Issue-7?id=38864
Right, Zemo was such a powerhouse. Skyfather material, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend“Yes but it wouldn’t be any fun”. That’s not backing down but he did mention about his recent loss but who was that to
Right.http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Contest-of-Champions-2015/Issue-7?id=38864
Right, Zemo was such a powerhouse. Skyfather material, right?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I thought Zeus would have more feats to make this competitive if we included pre-flashpoint...disappointed.
Originally posted by Baziemarc123
“Yes but it wouldn’t be any fun”. That’s not backing down but he did mention about his recent loss but who was that to