Of course people would do that for Superman Rage. Doesn't make it any less wrong. I would be right there with you saying people should stop wanking the feat even if Supes did it. All this wanking going on. For Thor AND Supes. It's silly. Yes, Thor is tough. Very tough. In fact, with Stormbreaker, he could beat Supes. EXCEPT for Superman's superspeed. Acting like he couldn't hurt Thor, again, is wanking of H1's caliber. Of course he can. IMO Supes wins 6-7 out of 10. If he uses his super speed like he does in justice league, then Thor is done. Simple as that. But if he doesn't and decides to slugfest Thor, then Supes is done. Thor gets his 3-4 wins from me because Supes doesn't always use super speed, and in the instances he doesn't, he loses. Simple as that.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Of course people would do that for Superman Rage. Doesn't make it any less wrong. I would be right there with you saying people should stop wanking the feat even if Supes did it. All this wanking going on. For Thor AND Supes. It's silly. Yes, Thor is tough. Very tough. In fact, with Stormbreaker, he could beat Supes. EXCEPT for Superman's superspeed. Acting like he couldn't hurt Thor, again, is wanking of H1's caliber. Of course he can. IMO Supes wins 6-7 out of 10. If he uses his super speed like he does in justice league, then Thor is done. Simple as that. But if he doesn't and decides to slugfest Thor, then Supes is done. Thor gets his 3-4 wins from me because Supes doesn't always use super speed, and in the instances he doesn't, he loses. Simple as that.
Here's my response to Superman's superspeed: Thor's lightning cloak. As seen at the end fight in Ragnarok (and to an extent in IW), Thor is now capable of completely surrounding himself in lightning that automatically attacks enemies in all directions. How is Superman going to approach Thor to land a hit, superspeed or no, without getting zapped?
Hit him before he does it, shoot heat vision through it, dodge until Thor stops doing it and pound on him, super speed and come up from beneath him under ground, throw boulders or other projectiles through it, etc. Most likely thing is Supes simply super speeds before Thor can do it and it's fight over.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Hit him before he does it, shoot heat vision through it, dodge until Thor stops doing it and pound on him, super speed and come up from beneath him under ground, throw boulders or other projectiles through it, etc. Most likely thing is Supes simply super speeds before Thor can do it and it's fight over.
Hit him before he does it - Superman can hurt Thor but he's not knocking out Thor with just one hit. Even if Superman hits Thor before Thor gets to activate it, Thor will probably be able to activate it before Superman hits him a 2nd or 3rd time.
Shoot heat vision through it - Superman has never been shown to shoot laser vision at super speed. If he slows down to shoot laser vision he risks getting shot by lightning or getting an axe in the face
Dodge until Thor stops doing it - who says Thor is going to stop doing it? For all we know, Thor will maintain the cloak till the fight finishes
Come up from the ground - won't matter, he still gets electrocuted as soon as he hits Thor
Throw boulders or other projectiles - all of which get destroyed by Thor's lightning as soon as they get near him
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIW was the best Marvel movie ever. Thor goes from enduring a Star to overpowering the IG with a throw.
Was certainly nice to see an Avengers film finally show how much more powerful Thor is than the other Avengers (Hulk is still the strongest physical obviously).
Avengers 1&2 sort of implied it but also tried to ignore it.
Well done Russos showing that whilst still making a great movie.
Originally posted by emporerpants
You mean until Captain Marvel shows up?Anyway, OF COURSE Superman can hurt Thor. One great feat doesn't totally negate the others. Don't we take the average? Was it stated that everything Thor can do is amped? The star feat is a great feat for Thor, no doubt. But it doesn't all of a sudden make Thor unbeatable. Hell, the movie starts with Thor ALREADY beat. Superman can hurt Thor. To say otherwise is wanking of the highest order. Like H1 levels of wanking, just for Thor instead of Superman. Don't be H1 guys, just don't.
I agree lets not get ridiculous. Thor wasnt amped (aside from getting a better weapon). He just got a new best feat.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hit him before he does it - Superman can hurt Thor but he's not knocking out Thor with just one hit. Even if Superman hits Thor before Thor gets to activate it, Thor will probably be able to activate it before Superman hits him a 2nd or 3rd time.
Yeah pretty unlikely Supes will just go into superspeed without even giving Thor a chance of Lightning cloaking himself.
Also not enough feats to show how long Supes can stay in super speed and how many Thor hurting haymakers he can throw whilst remaining in that speed.
What we got in Justice League was more of a confirmation that Supes has access to high level speed, and that he can dodge/evade punches from most opponents all day.
Originally posted by Darth ThorAlso not enough feats to show how long Supes can stay in super speed and how many Thor hurting haymakers he can throw whilst remaining in that speed.
What we got in Justice League was more of a confirmation that Supes has access to high level speed, and that he can dodge/evade punches from most opponents all day.
Yeah, it's pretty biased how people assume that Thor will get tired from maintaining his lightning while at the same time assuming that Superman can stay in superspeed for the entire fight. Especially when we consider that Thor has feats of maintaining his lightning for longer periods of time than Superman has maintained his superspeed.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, it's pretty biased how people assume that Thor will get tired from maintaining his lightning while at the same time assuming that Superman can stay in superspeed for the entire fight. Especially when we consider that Thor has feats of maintaining his lightning for longer periods of time than Superman has maintained his superspeed.
The bias really shines through when you realize that not one person on the Thor side has tried to dismiss or average out Superman's new speed. yet that is exactly what some are trying to do for Thor's neutron star feat.
People are also giving Superman intelligence and fighting skills that he has yet to show. Guy has been in 3 fights his entire life and has fought the exact same way in every single fight. Fly at them and punch. Heat vision. Punch. repeat.
When has he ever came up from the ground? When has he ever even used his surrounding environment as a weapon? Thor has used skill and intelligence in several of his fights. Clark can't fight for shit.
Why are people still saying he is stronger? He isn't. We go by feats, not what you want. His best feat is pulling a ship or lifting an apartment complex. Thor's Nidavalier feat shits on those. I'm sorry guys. Maybe when Soulja Boy or whoever they have replace Cavill comes along he will get better feats.
And I am not wanking, I am literally going by the forum rules as I understand them.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The bias really shines through when you realize that not one person on the Thor side has tried to dismiss or average out Superman's new speed. yet that is exactly what some are trying to do for Thor's neutron star feat.
The crazy thing is that these people who try to lowball Thor's neutron star feat are usually the same people who claim Superman is strong enough to move tectonic plates... because apparently an unknown newspaper clipping in the background of a scene in MOS is more valid than an actual feat in IW.
Who is assuming those things? Superman might get tired, he might not. Thor might get tired, he might not. Also, who says that Thor will lightning cloak himself right away and do nothing but that. Thor is likely to go on the offensive. Some people are acting like all Thor ever does is lighting cloak himself. So let's say he does and Supes can't get in. Stalemate until Thor stops doing it essentially.
I also find it ironic that people say it's unlikely that Supes will superspeed right away but Thor will immediately lighting cloak endlessly right from the word go. Also, Supes can hit Thor ALOT more than 3 times in superspeed before Thor can react. Remember, in Thor 3 Hulk one shot him when he was defenseless. If Supes goes super speed Thor will be just as defenseless.
Also, there is no reason to assume he can't heat vision while in superspeed. Just like there is no reason to assume that Thor can't tank bullets from a jet even though we've never seen him do it, to borrow a stupid argument from another thread. Also, projectiles aren't going to be straight up disintegrated when thrown through the lightning cloak. Some things will get through, in pieces probably, and some won't.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Who is assuming those things? Superman might get tired, he might not. Thor might get tired, he might not. Also, who says that Thor will lightning cloak himself right away and do nothing but that. Thor is likely to go on the offensive. Some people are acting like all Thor ever does is lighting cloak himself. So let's say he does and Supes can't get in. Stalemate until Thor stops doing it essentially.I also find it ironic that people say it's unlikely that Supes will superspeed right away but Thor will immediately lighting cloak endlessly right from the word go. Also, Supes can hit Thor ALOT more than 3 times in superspeed before Thor can react. Remember, in Thor 3 Hulk one shot him when he was defenseless. If Supes goes super speed Thor will be just as defenseless.
Also, there is no reason to assume he can't heat vision while in superspeed. Just like there is no reason to assume that Thor can't tank bullets from a jet even though we've never seen him do it, to borrow a stupid argument from another thread. Also, projectiles aren't going to be straight up disintegrated when thrown through the lightning cloak. Some things will get through, in pieces probably, and some won't.
Kind of like how other people are assuming Superman starts out the fight in super-speed mode? why call out one and not the other?
Originally posted by Silent Master
The bias really shines through when you realize that not one person on the Thor side has tried to dismiss or average out Superman's new speed. yet that is exactly what some are trying to do for Thor's neutron star feat.
So nothing short of a nuke hurts supes since we saw him take that? Cool. Thor's lightning cloak didn't seem to have the same level of strength as a nuke, so I guess the lighting has no effect, going by that logic. 💃
Originally posted by emporerpants
So nothing short of a nuke hurts supes since we saw him take that? Cool. Thor's lighting cloak didn't seem to have the same level of strength as a nuke, so I guess the lighting has no effect, going by that logic. 💃
Either post where I state that nothing short of a neutron star can hurt Thor or admit your use of a strawman.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Dude, I straight up said that he doesn't use superspeed all the time and gave Thor some wins because of it. Did you not see that?
I see you calling out people that say Thor will use the lightning cloak right away, but I've not see you say anything to the people claiming Superman will go directly into super-speed mode.
If I'm wrong, feel free to point out where you called people out for that argument.
Originally posted by emporerpants
Who is assuming those things? Superman might get tired, he might not. Thor might get tired, he might not. Also, who says that Thor will lightning cloak himself right away and do nothing but that. Thor is likely to go on the offensive. Some people are acting like all Thor ever does is lighting cloak himself. So let's say he does and Supes can't get in. Stalemate until Thor stops doing it essentially.I also find it ironic that people say it's unlikely that Supes will superspeed right away but Thor will immediately lighting cloak endlessly right from the word go. Also, Supes can hit Thor ALOT more than 3 times in superspeed before Thor can react. Remember, in Thor 3 Hulk one shot him when he was defenseless. If Supes goes super speed Thor will be just as defenseless.
Also, there is no reason to assume he can't heat vision while in superspeed. Just like there is no reason to assume that Thor can't tank bullets from a jet even though we've never seen him do it, to borrow a stupid argument from another thread. Also, projectiles aren't going to be straight up disintegrated when thrown through the lightning cloak. Some things will get through, in pieces probably, and some won't.
1. Ever since Thor unlocked his full powers he's always been cloaked in lightning at the start of every major fight he's been in. It's not out of character for him to start with it on. It won't be a stalemate till Superman closes, because Thor has AOEs that have a good chance of catching Superman from a distance. With enough AOEs, Thor might even land a hit on Superman despite superspeed.
2. It takes Thor a split second to cloak himself in lightning, it's not like he takes a long time to do it. Also, if Superman is going to hit Thor with any power enough to hurt him then a single punch should launch Thor quite a ways back... which means Superman will have to run/fly after him and catch up before being able to deliver another punch. You can see this clearly in his match against Zod. This isn't going to be like DBZ. As for Hulk one-shotting Thor, you forget that this was AFTER Thor had just been zapped with the obedience disk, something which was proven able to knock him out before. That wasn't all Hulk.
3. Every single time Superman has used heat vision he has had to slow down, sometimes needing to completely stop before he could use it. Just watch any clip of him using it. That's a pretty good indicator he can't use it at superspeed.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The bias really shines through when you realize that not one person on the Thor side has tried to dismiss or average out Superman's new speed. yet that is exactly what some are trying to do for Thor's neutron star feat.
What does this post imply then? Should we average out the feat, treat it as an outlier, or make it the new standard? Tell me EXACTLY what you think about it then.