Originally posted by FrothByteIf he was able to react and fight with her evenly while also fighting JL members, the obvious answer is that he (both of them really) is fast enough to react to her. Thanos just hasn't shown that level of speed or reaction time. This is the same girl who was able to dismember DD, someone who was able to react to and outfight Supes. She can definitely do the same and worse to Thanos. Thanos also hasn't been shown to have a healing factor, so if she gets rid of a limb the fight is already basically over. Thanos without the Gauntlet is not a legitimate threat to the DC universe. Their power levels are beyond him.
But why didn't she use the same maneuver on Luddendorf or Steppenwolf if she was capable of it?
Originally posted by Robtard👆
No gems? WW should take it due to her massive speed advantage. She's a bullet timer, we have multiple scenes showing this and it's not just her arms that are moving at super speeds. The scene in JL where she saves the captives from the terrorist.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroCorrect me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember him using the Gauntlet to beat Hulk, and that was a solid showing. The Russos made a point of showing the gems glow whenever they were used, but the power gem never glowed that fight.
Thanos without at least the Gauntlet and the Power Stone is entirely speculative anyway. We have no way of knowing how powerful he was without it, except that he commanded the Chitauri through conquest and sheer force of fear.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
If he was able to react and fight with her evenly while also fighting JL members, the obvious answer is that he (both of them really) is fast enough to react to her. Thanos just hasn't shown that level of speed or reaction time. This is the same girl who was able to dismember DD, someone who was able to react to and outfight Supes. She can definitely do the same and worse to Thanos. Thanos also hasn't been shown to have a healing factor, so if she gets rid of a limb the fight is already basically over. Thanos without the Gauntlet is not a legitimate threat to the DC universe. Their power levels are beyond him.
Yeah but if we assume that Steppenwolf is a speedster, probably faster than Diana if he was able to match both her and Aquaman, then we need to assume that:
1. The Amazons were all super speedsters, since Steppenwolf had some trouble catching the motherbox from them.
2. Aquaman is also a super speedster, since he wasn't moving any slower than Diana and Steppenwolf in their fight.
and
3. Might as well make Cyborg a speedster as well, since he was moving pretty much similarly to Aquaman in any scene they were together.
Originally posted by FrothByteYeah I've seen DC fans make that point too. I'm definitely not comfortable with making any of them flat out speedsters, but I'm equally not comfortable disregarding WWs many speed feats or amping Thanos to levels of speed he hasn't shown. TBH it's a comic book movie. It makes more sense to chalk some stuff up to PIS and just use the characters high and normal showings.
Yeah but if we assume that Steppenwolf is a speedster, probably faster than Diana if he was able to match both her and Aquaman, then we need to assume that:1. The Amazons were all super speedsters, since Steppenwolf had some trouble catching the motherbox from them.
2. Aquaman is also a super speedster, since he wasn't moving any slower than Diana and Steppenwolf in their fight.and
3. Might as well make Cyborg a speedster as well, since he was moving pretty much similarly to Aquaman in any scene they were together.
I'd rather we just agree that WW is comfortably faster than Thanos based off many feats. That combined with the fact that she has the sword makes the outcome of the fight kind of obvious.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In a forum, we go by feats. And she doesn't have feats of speed dodging every attack made by highly skilled non-speedster opponents. She dodges punches and kicks via her skill but still only utilizing normal speed. In the end, Thanos won't be shooting bullets at WW, he'll be engaging in melee. So we base this on Diana's melee feats and we know that even Luddendorf had no problems keeping up with Diana.
Why ignore my argument? You didn’t address it at all. You just ignored it completely. In a forum where characters are to fight to the best of their ability, she can either perceive time in slow motion or she can’t. You can’t have both.
She has dodged block far more attacks than not. So why would you represent her on a forum AT HER LOWEST when that is the minority of showings?
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, in forums it is assumed that WW will fight in character. that means if she routinely doesn't use her superspeed when fighting hth. the same will hold true here.
“In character” implies personality, not ability.
In a forum, Does she have the ability to perceive events (such as bullets) in slow motion?
And in a forum, will she purposely (while fighting to the best of her ability) lower her perception speed in order to allow herself to get hit?
She can either perceive things in slow motion or she can’t.
If she can’t then someone with a gun can beat her.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember him using the Gauntlet to beat Hulk, and that was a solid showing. The Russos made a point of showing the gems glow whenever they were used, but the power gem never glowed that fight.
Then I'm afraid you must consider yourself corrected.
I submit that the gems did not always glow when they were activated. Evidenced by the scene where Thanos tricked Gammorah with the Reality gem. When she stabbed him, Thanos tricked her with the gem, and it never glowed once.
The power gem is more innate in it it's general usage of increasing the bearer's physical characteristics such as strength and endurance. That was literally the only way he could out power Hulk in a way unmatched even by the likes of Thor or the Hulk Buster.
Originally posted by FrothByte
But why didn't she use the same maneuver on Luddendorf or Steppenwolf if she was capable of it?
Why didn’t Thanos drop one of the gems on the Earth like Ronan planned too in Xandar?
Why didn’t Panther used the animals units firsts again those creatures?
Why didn’t Bucky use a better weapon than just an AR?
It’s called plot Genius!
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroI was under the impression that the Thanos she stabbed wasn't the real one and he was just a construct made by the reality gem. He was standing some distance away after all when it was dispelled. This was made more obvious when his corpse on the ground disintegrated into red particles showing it was made out of the aether. Every other instance in the movie I remember showed the gems glowing when used.
Then I'm afraid you must consider yourself corrected.I submit that the gems did not always glow when they were activated. Evidenced by the scene where Thanos tricked Gammorah with the Reality gem. When she stabbed him, Thanos tricked her with the gem, and it never glowed once.
The power gem is more innate in it it's general usage of increasing the bearer's physical characteristics such as strength and endurance. That was literally the only way he could out power Hulk in a way unmatched even by the likes of Thor or the Hulk Buster.
Another counterpoint to that is when Ronan amped himself with the power gem in Guardians and stuck the gem in the hammer. It glowed for the rest of the entire movie and you saw it in every fight scene Ronan used it in. The fact that that same stone now wasn't glowing in the gauntlet should prove that it wasn't being used in that scene.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then I'm afraid you must consider yourself corrected.I submit that the gems did not always glow when they were activated. Evidenced by the scene where Thanos tricked Gammorah with the Reality gem. When she stabbed him, Thanos tricked her with the gem, and it never glowed once.
The power gem is more innate in it it's general usage of increasing the bearer's physical characteristics such as strength and endurance. That was literally the only way he could out power Hulk in a way unmatched even by the likes of Thor or the Hulk Buster.
The reality gem did glow in that scene when Thanos was revealing the illusion.
The Thanos that Gamora stabbed was not Thanos, is was an illusion/fake, so why would his gem glow?
The real Thanos was off screen observing everything.
The way the gems work with the guantlet now has been retconed by the Russos. There is more evidence in Infinity war that the gems have to be activated somehow with a closed fist and then they glow, than the gems being always active just because you have them on you.
This is based on evidence from the movie.
Originally posted by SquallXWhat impressive character did WW decap in a few seconds ? Otherwise you’re just making shit up.
Why didn’t Thanos drop one of the gems on the Earth like Ronan planned too in Xandar?Why didn’t Panther used the animals units firsts again those creatures?
Why didn’t Bucky use a better weapon than just an AR?
It’s called plot Genius!
Originally posted by RobtardExamples of her showing her superior speed to beat someone of Thanos’ caliber.
No gems? WW should take it due to her massive speed advantage. She's a bullet timer, we have multiple scenes showing this and it's not just her arms that are moving at super speeds. The scene in JL where she saves the captives from the terrorist.