Superman (Justice League) Vs. Hulk beating Thanos

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The bias in this post is ridiculous. Those things were massive and flew with enough momentum to easily smash through buildings.

Hulk stopped it dead in its tracks. The force needed to stop something flying over a 100k/ph with a mass over 10kbis ridiculous. Let's not forget that the Armor plating also makes them ridiculous durable.

And how can you say Superman did his feat with ease and Hulk used his full strength...

Superman's speed and combination of flight/speed means he wins imo, but he's not going outmuscle Thanos and this will be a lot harder than Steppenloser.

It took about 10 seconds to completely stop its momentum.
Hulk’s punch did almost nothing to slow it down.
What slowed it was Hulk bracing against the ground with his feet. It was the work of the concrete. If Hulk was a statue with a firm plant in the concrete then we would get the same result. Bracing strength is definitely needed though.

It wasn't completely stopped until Iron Man blew it up, so factor that into your calculations.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Now you're moving the goal posts. Fact is he couldn't stop it easily like you claimed he did.

Hahahaha, what? His feet were planted firmly on the ground. That's as anchored as a humanoid can get. He was being pushed back because the Leviathan's kinetic energy was greater than Hulk's strength.

The difference there is that Superman wasn't even trying. Also, it's not Superman's best strength feat.

The force of a star? No, just the heat, which has already been proven to be vastly inferior to a nuke. And it nearly killed him. Superman's heat vision would do a number on Thor based on that.

I never said he wasnt planted firmly. If you pay keen attention to the scene youll notice that the ground is crumbling beneath his feet, which means he wasnt anchored.

If he would have done it one handidly i would be impressed. And the tectonic plate note isnt valid.

It has also been proven that the nuke is for seconds hotter than a star, and not constant. Also, its proven than a star produces A HELL more energy than a Nuke.

Temperature aint the only factor here.

For those who are not adept in physics, here you go.
Note: The Leviathan is probably somewhere between 200-500 tons. Let’s just say 1000 tons for the sake of argument. That way, no one should have a problem.

How much force does it take to stop a 1000ton object moving at 20m/s in 10 seconds?
Force = change in momentum/ change in time
= (1000ton * 20m/s) /(10s)
= (907185kg * 20m/s) /(10s)
= 1.81e6 N
= 204 tons of force

So assuming Hulk wasn’t bracing (allowing the concrete to supply the pushing or stopping force) then its a 204 ton feat at the most.

But the reality is that the concrete was supplying the majority of the stopping force as Hulk’s arm was extended through the majority of the feat (he did give a little push here and there though). So the feat is significantly less than 204 tons.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I never said he wasnt planted firmly. If you pay keen attention to the scene youll notice that the ground is crumbling beneath his feet, which means he wasnt anchored.

If he would have done it one handidly i would be impressed. And the tectonic plate note isnt valid.

It has also been proven that the nuke is for seconds hotter than a star, and not constant. Also, its proven than a star produces A HELL more energy than a Nuke.

Temperature aint the only factor here.

The ground crumbling actually means he was perfectly anchored. If he slid instead then he wasn’t perfectly anchored. The ground gave because it couldn’t withstand the force.

But see my post above.

Originally posted by h1a8
For those who are not adept in physics, here you go.
Note: The Leviathan is probably somewhere between 200-500 tons. Let’s just say 1000 tons for the sake of argument. That way, no one should have a problem.

How much force does it take to stop a 1000ton object moving at 20m/s in 10 seconds?
Force = change in momentum/ change in time
= (1000ton * 20m/s) /(10s)
= (907185kg * 20m/s) /(10s)
= 1.81e6 N
= 204 tons of force

So assuming Hulk wasn’t bracing (allowing the concrete to supply the pushing or stopping force) then its a 204 ton feat at the most.

But the reality is that the concrete was supplying the majority of the stopping force as Hulk’s arm was extended through the majority of the feat (he did give a little push here and there though). So the feat is significantly less than 204 tons.

Dude. The concrete was crumbling! Should the soil be Vibranium the Leviathan would have stopped faster!

So the concrete on the other hand, isnt helping Hulk!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Dude. The concrete was crumbling! Should the soil be Vibranium the Leviathan would have stopped faster!

So the concrete on the other hand, isnt helping Hulk!

If you don’t accept the ground supplying the majority of the force then Hulk exerted a maximum of 204 tons of force.

But the reality is that Hulk has his arm fully extended the majority of the feat. That means he wasn’t supplying any pushing force to stop it. He was just bracing against the concrete.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you don’t accept the ground supplying the majority of the force then Hulk exerted a maximum of 204 tons of force.

But the reality is that Hulk has his arm fully extended the majority of the feat. That means he was supplying no pushing force to stop it. He was just bracing against the concrete.

Crumbling concrete!?????? Dude, tell me you aint a civil engineer!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Crumbling concrete!?????? Dude, tell me you aint a civil engineer!

If you don’t accept the ground supplying the majority of the force then Hulk exerted a maximum of 204 tons of force. That means, if Hulk supplied all of the force (no help from the ground) then its still just 204 tons.

But the reality is that Hulk has his arm fully extended the majority of the feat. That means he wasn’t supplying any pushing force to stop it. He was just bracing against the concrete.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you don’t accept the ground supplying the majority of the force then Hulk exerted a maximum of 204 tons of force.

But the reality is that Hulk has his arm fully extended the majority of the feat. That means he wasn’t supplying any pushing force to stop it. He was just bracing against the concrete.

Also, your statement is like saying that each time you lift a 10kg weight the ground supports you with 5kg!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I never said he wasnt planted firmly. If you pay keen attention to the scene youll notice that the ground is crumbling beneath his feet, which means he wasnt anchored.

If he would have done it one handidly i would be impressed. And the tectonic plate note isnt valid.

It has also been proven that the nuke is for seconds hotter than a star, and not constant. Also, its proven than a star produces A HELL more energy than a Nuke.

Temperature aint the only factor here.

So? Superman was walking on ice and it didn't bother him.

Yes, it is valid. Your hurt feelings are irrelevant. Also, there are other feats like the World Engine and the Singularity.

Except a nuke also produces a powerful blast that levels cities. Superman survived that. A star's total output, yes. Thor didn't take all of it.

Yes, it is. There was no gravitational effect inside the ship since Rocket and Groot didn't get pasted.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Also, your statement is like saying that each time you lift a 10kg weight the ground supports you with 5kg!

No, as long as you are lifting or pushing (not holding with arms locked in place) then you are supplying 100% of the force.

Originally posted by Psychotron
So? Superman was walking on ice and it didn't bother him.

Yes, it is valid. Your hurt feelings are irrelevant. Also, there are other feats like the World Engine and the Singularity.

Except a nuke also produces a powerful blast that levels cities. Superman survived that. A star's total output, yes. Thor didn't take all of it.

Yes, it is. There was no gravitational effect inside the ship since Rocket and Groot didn't get pasted.

It's interesting too though. What's beneath Ice? Water. So, we could argue that some part of that weight was floating.

Do you have evidence on how much force was being exerted in the world engine or just speculation based on the sophisticated name of the machine?

A star pulls out more energy than all the Nuclear bombs of earth together! I believe i don't have to explain the effect a beam from such a star would have on a city, much less on earth.

What!?

Originally posted by h1a8
No, as long as you are lifting or pushing (not holding with arms locked in place) then you are supplying 100% of the force.

Dude. Do you realize that the weight has to pass from hulk's body to the ground? Ain't like the force teleport to the ground and Hulk is just holding 50% of the weight.

It's like saying every time you hit a wall, 50% of the force is absorbed by the ground and the wall doesn't absorb all the energy.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Which means the momentum wasn't stopped.

Please start re-watching scenes before commenting. Hulk used his other hand when he was getting pushed back. It's right there on youtube ffs. To say that Hulk didn't strain against the Leviathan is absurd and biased.

That doesn't make any sense.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Psychotron

The force of a star? No, just the heat, which has already been proven to be vastly inferior to a nuke. And it nearly killed him. Superman's heat vision would do a number on Thor based on that.

Etri: "You are about take the full force of a Star."

Even if you presuppose that the Nuclear Weapon was as powerful as the Tsar Bomb, ignore that Doomsday was between Superman and the Nuclear Weapon (Normally it would not matter, but Doomsday is a massive creature that absorbs energy), Thor's feat is many magnitudes more impressive it's mind boggling.

Based on how Superman handled the Nuclear Weapon, he'd be incinerated instantly.

A nuclear weapon depending on the yield can reach up to 150 million Fahrenheit or so IIRC. But that lasts a nanosecond or less I believe. It cools down significantly almost instantaneously. A newly formed Neutron Star can reach temperatures up to 10^12 Kelvin. That makes intuitive sense if you think about it, a neutron Star is incredibly compressed gas, compressed gas gets hotter. It cools down over many years through the emission of Neutrinos however.

I don't even understand how you can think they are remotely comparable. It's been a long time since I took a physics course, but a quick google will indicate that the feats are so massively different in scale....

That was plasma as well, which is why Etri said what he did.

I'd love for there to be a quick catalog of information that we could use to check for these numbers. Hopefully someone can double check if any of my information is incorrect.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That doesn't make any sense.

Fair enough.

Etri: "You are about take the full force of a Star."

Even if you presuppose that the Nuclear Weapon was as powerful as the Tsar Bomb, ignore that Doomsday was between Superman and the Nuclear Weapon (Normally it would not matter, but Doomsday is a massive creature that absorbs energy), Thor's feat is many magnitudes more impressive it's mind boggling.

Based on how Superman handled the Nuclear Weapon, he'd be incinerated instantly.

A nuclear weapon depending on the yield can reach up to 150 million Fahrenheit or so IIRC. But that lasts a nanosecond or less I believe. It cools down significantly almost instantaneously. A newly formed Neutron Star can reach temperatures up to 100 billion Fahrenheit. A neutron Star is incredibly compressed gas, compressed gas gets hotter. It cools down over many years through the emission of Neutrinos however.

I don't even understand how you can think they are remotely comparable. It's been a long time since I took a physics course, but a quick google will indicate that the feats are so massively in scale....

And it clearly wasn't just heat that Thor endured. That was plasma as well, which is why Etri said what he did.

I'd love for there to be a quick catalog of information that we could use to check for these numbers. Hopefully someone can double check.

You know what's more funny than that? That their whole world engine/singularity argument has an enormous flaw.

The nuke made a hell more damage on Superman than the World Engine/Singularity did. So it's obvious that the World Engine's damage output<<Conventional nuclear weapon 😂

I like how they randomly apply physics, IE using the fact that Hulk tore up the ground to downgrade the Leviathan punch. but ignoring that Thor had enough strength and durability to tear into the metal of the spaceforge after throwing Rocket's spaceship. metal that was able to withstand the full force of a star.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It's interesting too though. What's beneath Ice? Water. So, we could argue that some part of that weight was floating.

Do you have evidence on how much force was being exerted in the world engine or just speculation based on the sophisticated name of the machine?

A star pulls out more energy than all the Nuclear bombs of earth together! I believe i don't have to explain the effect a beam from such a star would have on a city, much less on earth.

What!?

Are you ****ing retarded? That has nothing to do with anything.

We know it was strong enough to flatten skyscrapers on the other end of the planet and we know Superman was depowered when he destroyed it. Good luck topping that.

First of all, it was a really anemic star, barely the size of a moon by the look of it. Second, that beam was only a fraction of its total power output.

Thor was exposed to the heat and nothing else.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Are you ****ing retarded? That has nothing to do with anything.

We know it was strong enough to flatten skyscrapers on the other end of the planet and we know Superman was depowered when he destroyed it. Good luck topping that.

First of all, it was a really anemic star, barely the size of a moon by the look of it. Second, that beam was only a fraction of its total power output.

Thor was exposed to the heat and nothing else.

You're talking about flattening Skyscrapers...in the same breath as a Neutron Star, the most awesomely devastating force in the known Universe next to a black hole....

Also for the third time:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Etri: [b]"You are about take the FULL FORCE of a Star."
[/B]

A Neutron Star isn't as large as a main sequence Star but that is why it is far more awesome. It's a Star (Much larger than the Sun IIRC) going Supernova that condenses all that matter into a much smaller volume.

It's so astronomically beyond anything done so far, that taken at face value, Thor is more durable than every other character that has appeared in the DCEU (Doomsday, Wonder Woman, Steppenwolf, Superman, all the Kryptonians etc.), put together squared.

I'd have argued there was no way he could even open the gate to the Star much less endure it's full force before this movie. The fact the was still breathing and almost conscious with his goddamn eyebrows still on and some singing is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're talking about flattening Skyscrapers...in the same breath as a Neutron Star, the most awesomely devastating force in the known Universe next to a black hole....

Also for the third time:

He's trolling, he doesn't actually believe what he's saying. hell in the other thread he called Gal Gadot a disgusting Jew.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're talking about flattening Skyscrapers...in the same breath as a Neutron Star, the most awesomely devastating force in the known Universe next to a black hole....

Also for the third time:

A Neutron Star isn't as large as a main sequence Star but that is why it is far more awesome. It's a Star (Much larger than the Sun IIRC) going Supernova that condenses all that matter into a much smaller volume.

It's so astronomically beyond anything done so far, that taken at face value, Thor is more durable than every other character that has appeared in the DCEU (Doomsday, Wonder Woman, Steppenwolf, Superman, all the Kryptonians etc.), put together squared.

I'd have argued there was no way he could even open the gate to the Star much less endure it's full force before this movie. The fact the was still breathing and almost conscious with his goddamn eyebrows still on and some singing is ridiculous.

Huh! It was just heat flare from the dwarf star. No force at all. It was just a matter of speaking. It’s wasnt to be taken literally (as it is nonsense to be taken literally). Stars emit no force.

Do you think Superman won’t be able to replicate that feat? Try with greater ease.