About the thing/rhino fight--neither really wanted to fight. Miracle Man hypnotized both of them but Thing came out of it shortly after Rhino rammed into Thing's bus. Plus Rhino didn't want to fight period as he was suppose to be getting help to remove the surgically attached Rhino skin and turn back human. So while Thing looked better and was in control, the Rhino was hypnotized for most of it and then he didn't want to fight.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Almost", "might have", not enough.Sure. Here you are:
1. https://i.imgur.com/4K6AjPl.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/3wocYqW.jpg
Isn’t it amazing how inconsistent and contradictory comics are?
In the next panel you have She Hulk manhandling Rhino.
This reminds me of Drax destroying a planet and ripping the core of a star out and then right after getting man handled by Marvell.
I guess that’s why we should use averages.
Originally posted by BentleyI bet they hate that one.
Wait, did a jew say someone was worse than a nazi on panel?
Though of course it makes sense. Half of the arseholes in comics are worse than anything in the real world. Yet if you put a Nazi in a comic, they are supposed to be the absolute worst.
Bryne snuck a fast one in there
Originally posted by BentleySkrull stuff. The last time the F4 met the Skrulls though they aged Thing, Sue and Reed and Johnny had a little meltdown
Yeah, nazis would be lowtime villains compared with the sh_t that routinely goes down on comicdom. I'm kind of wondering what those Skrulls actually pulled off in that comic to afford the comparison though.
The arc where Thing fought Colossuskrull was also the same arc where Gladiator did this:
https://pm1.narvii.com/6146/eb2f9c4f16ceae6dba1520d590e4be6305dd191f_hq.jpg
I heard Thor also had a dealing with a nova or rather a star recently, though I'm unsure of how that turned out
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, nazis would be lowtime villains compared with the sh_t that routinely goes down on comicdom. I'm kind of wondering what those Skrulls actually pulled off in that comic to afford the comparison though.
not sure i agree with that. MOST (certainly there are villains/enemies who can be said to have done worse) villains in comics tend to have some rationale for what they do and have never achieved the widespread evil the nazi party achieved. there really isn't a rationale for what the nazis did to the jews, and genocide is a big deal, even in comics (look at some of the truly evil events in x-books over the last 3 decades). factor in how many jewish deaths the nazis were responsible for (say 2 million to be very conservative) and there aren't many 'villains' out there who can equal the real world evil of the nazis.
A lot of what the nazis did was hyperbolized. A lot of the Juden died from starving to death from the bombings. And we don't even have ovens now on the levels of what were supposedly burning hoards of Juden to ashes. Same as the supposed gas chambers were sealed off by old school classroom doors... which is not the way you would want to stave off severely toxic gasses.
Not saying stuff of this nature didn't happen, but the extent of it seems highly dubious to say the least.
That being said I'd be interested to see big deal villians who you'd place above and below the Nazis assuming all the original stories are true (6 million).
Any villian you can add to the list actually. Skrulls, Thanos, Darkseid, Lex, etc
Originally posted by leonidas
not sure i agree with that. MOST (certainly there are villains/enemies who can be said to have done worse) villains in comics tend to have some rationale for what they do and have never achieved the widespread evil the nazi party achieved. there really isn't a rationale for what the nazis did to the jews, and genocide is a big deal, even in comics (look at some of the truly evil events in x-books over the last 3 decades). factor in how many jewish deaths the nazis were responsible for (say 2 million to be very conservative) and there aren't many 'villains' out there who can equal the real world evil of the nazis.
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Great post. And much needed.
And let's be honest, villains in the superhero books often look like puppies in comparison. They rarely achieve their goals and do minimum [permanent] damage if they do.
You even have the Juggernaut, the Kingpin, Doctor Octopus, Magneto and Victor von Doom crying together in front of the remains of World Trade Center. Magnus is even seen helping emergency services there.
the numbers can be fudged--i've seen some sources say that over the 4 years upwards of 20 million jews died from one thing or another as a result of the targeted nazi campaign. even if we say somewhat less than 2 million, that is....incomprehensible.
comic villains tend to be written in ways that often make them...likable. even the "most" evil. there of course is nothing mitigating or likable about the nazis. it would need to be villains who were responsible for the deaths of millions. i dunno. the ones you mentioned i guess want humanity enslaved or dead so...sure they would count. cosmic villains or other races seem less evil though for some reason. the nazis were distinctly human, so to view any villain as being THAT evil they would need to be human villains imo. red skull, obviously. joker? doesn't have the large scale impact though. i dunno. hard to compare any comic villain with something so horrifically real life.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
👆Great post. And much needed.
And let's be honest, villains in the superhero books often look like puppies in comparison. They rarely achieve their goals and do minimum [permanent] damage if they do.
You even have the Juggernaut, the Kingpin, Doctor Octopus, Magneto and Victor von Doom crying together in front of the remains of World Trade Center. Magnus is even seen helping emergency services there.
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it's rare when a comic villain does anything TRULY horrific. most of the time feats and even character is mitigated (the world trade center is a very good example). and again, it's almost impossible to compare comics to real world for obvious reasons.
Once you start reading testimonies of survivors, things stop adding up. Bùt I digress.
That's because we see the individual personalities of the comic characters. We view Nazis as a faceless evil. Would you really think Hans "Juden Vergewaltigen" so unlikable if we got a peer into his life like a comic character? What if Hans was late for work one day and it really wasn't his fault? Could you not sympathize with his plight?
"I also couldn't find my socks and tripped over my stiefel just like Hans. Heheh Hans is such a klutz!"
You have to understand these people were humans with real personalities doing a job. They might not have been high fiving each other and bro'ing down all the time, but I have severe doubts they were sitting there stirring cauldron pots of Jewish child fingernails laughing with fanged teeth and a forked tongue.
If a comic character was written to donate to charities and be the most likable character in existence, it still wouldn't excuse him from molesting children._
You have to weigh the acts more than the personalities. I doubt anyone in the German army was as sadistic as Carnage for example, but that wouldn't make them more or less evil based purely off personality. Though that type of personality is pretty much pure evil. As well as the Nazis having their own reasons as well. It might not seem like a good reason but then again Thanos murders half the universe to get some necro pussy
I'm sure there was a lot of CarverNeins and Galan00Seibens in the army doing the same acts for example.
