If a comic character was written to donate to charities and be the most likable character in existence, it still wouldn't excuse him from molesting children._
you're right of course--which is the same reason that "they were doing a job" is not a mitigating factor.
but you brought up a fair point. i was looking at the nazis and their achievements as a whole. i could focus on hitler as the (driving) architect i suppose. but you bring up thanos. again, not relatable. like bringing up mephisto. even the skrulls are a stretch for me. you said who do i view as being as evil as the nazis in the comic world. neither of those fit my eye, though skrulls more than thanos i guess. it would need to be someone human, as i said. even kletus is crazy/insane. it's another reason i hesitated to add joker. red skull is also the only villain i can recall off the top of my head holding a gun to a baby's head.... hard to get more evil.
honestly, i dunno. imo the list is pretty short. using the nazis as a whole, and finding a villain who is as evil, or more so? tough call, again, imo. /shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
red skull is also the only villain i can recall off the top of my head holding a gun to a baby's head.... hard to get more evil.
Ultimate Skull, you mean.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
[B]Once you start reading testimonies of survivors, things stop adding up. Bùt I digress.That's because we see the individual personalities of the comic characters. We view Nazis as a faceless evil. Would you really think Hans "Juden Vergewaltigen" so unlikable if we got a peer into his life like a comic character? What if Hans was late for work one day and it really wasn't his fault? Could you not sympathize with his plight?
"I also couldn't find my socks and tripped over my stiefel just like Hans. Heheh Hans is such a klutz!"
You have to understand these people were humans with real personalities doing a job. They might not have been high fiving each other and bro'ing down all the time, but I have severe doubts they were sitting there stirring cauldron pots of Jewish child fingernails laughing with fanged teeth and a forked tongue.
If a comic character was written to donate to charities and be the most likable character in existence, it still wouldn't excuse him from molesting children._
You have to weigh the acts more than the personalities. I doubt anyone in the German army was as sadistic as Carnage for example, but that wouldn't make them more or less evil based purely off personality. Though that type of personality is pretty much pure evil. As well as the Nazis having their own reasons as well. It might not seem like a good reason but then again Thanos murders half the universe to get some necro pussy
I'm sure there was a lot of CarverNeins and Galan00Seibens in the army doing the same acts for example.
laughcry @ the CarverNeins and Galan00Seibens part. Never leave us again, Bran 😂 😂 😂
Originally posted by SupermutantI realize that. It's been a few year since I saw that but I recall Thing saying that he was surprised that Skrull was so tough or some shit.
Yes all the X-men were skrulls in that issue for starters. But for this thread Thing never fought or even encountered the real Colossus there.
Originally posted by leonidas
👆it's rare when a comic villain does anything TRULY horrific. most of the time feats and even character is mitigated (the world trade center is a very good example). and again, it's almost impossible to compare comics to real world for obvious reasons.
Again, this argument is sort of "they suck at being evil" or "have stronger opposition" but many evil characters would do crazy stuff if left unimpeded. Extinction events routinely happen in comicdom that's the kind of stuff I was referring. I agree most villains appear to be random crooks, but that doesn't counterbalance the genocides that were barely avoided in a scale of who does greater evil. I mean, WW2 happened for several years, but individual attacks and events cannot compare with the Annihilation wave (for example). That kind of sh_t happens in comics every other year.
Kang is not mitigated, he has commited genocide on panel with permanent consequences. Same with Ultron. Same with Thanos etc.
Originally posted by Bentley
Again, this argument is sort of "they suck at being evil" or "have stronger opposition" but many evil characters would do crazy stuff if left unimpeded. Extinction events routinely happen in comicdom that's the kind of stuff I was referring. I agree most villains appear to be random crooks, but that doesn't counterbalance the genocides that were barely avoided in a scale of who does greater evil. I mean, WW2 happened for several years, but individual attacks and events cannot compare with the Annihilation wave (for example). That kind of sh_t happens in comics every other year.Kang is not mitigated, he has commited genocide on panel with permanent consequences. Same with Ultron. Same with Thanos etc.
kang is a better example--since he's human. ultron? thanos? mephisto? darkseid? not human so have different standards imo.
as for the sauron scan--i don't consider that 'evil' in the sense you're saying ds, ONLY because if sauron has the tech to do it, how many other characters in comics could do the same? how many people could thor/ss heal if they used their power to the fullest? i see the "cancer issue" as being one that is simply irreconcilable in a comic setting. given the tech/magic in play, ALL suffering should likely be curable in a comic setting--ss alone could likely rewrite the genetic code of the planet. imagine if he and thor teamed up and ss used the hammer to amp his ability? or strange teamed with either one? i just see that situation as different. i agree though--as purely evil characters go, sauron is pretty high on the list. 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
how many other characters in comics could do the same?
T'Challa already HAS the cure for cancer and he's refusing to share it with the world. Just because Wakanda fears it might get weaponized or some shit.
And neither Panther nor his people are the smartest inhabitants of Marvel Earth.
But that's the thing. Not only CAN he do it (like T'Challa or whatever) - he knows he can, and actively wants to mutate and then enslave people.
At least BP fears weaponisation or whatever weak excuse the writers tried to think of when they wrote themselves into a corner.
It's like seeing a kid drop their ice cream and cry...and not only do you have the means to buy them another ice cream, you get them addicted to crack and then enslave them.