Avengers: Endgame (2019)

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Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Quincy
I'm not sure this is the best thread to ask this question but I wanted to ask about reactions to Infinity War.

A lot of people ranked it as the Best film in the MCU. Do people really think that, and if so - why?

IMO Cap 2, Iron Man, and Homecoming were the best. They felt the most focused.

I liked IW but it felt too disjointed focusing on so many characters across so many settings. The Black Order also fell flat as villains (other than Ebony Maw). I honestly think they're the worst villains we've gotten in the MCU.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Homecoming was okay, but the only reason you consider it to be in TOP3 is because you're a Spider-Man fanboy (don't mean that as an insult).

For me, it was a really good MCU tie-in --- it allowed us to see repercussions of Avengers 1, Tony and Pepper being together again... but not quite being able to stand up on its own.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Homecoming was okay, but the only reason you consider it to be in TOP3 is because you're a Spider-Man fanboy (don't mean that as an insult).

For me, it was a really good MCU [b]tie-in --- it allowed us to see repercussions of Avengers 1, Tony and Pepper being together again... but not quite being able to stand up on its own. [/B]

LMAO it's true that I'm a Spidey fanboy, but a Spidey movie needs to be great for me to rate it high. If anything, I hold the character to a higher standard since there's no one I understand more clearly.

For example, I loved the Raimi movies but even I felt dirty walking out of the theater after SM3. I was also flat out disappointed with both the Amazing movies and wouldn't rate them above a 5.

I like Spidey because he always feels more grounded, personal, and human. It's the same reason I rated Iron Man and Winter Soldier so high. Winter Soldier felt more like a spy/thriller and Iron Man had a more grounded tech feel. All of them also had phenomenal villains with personal connections. I rate them all high for similar reasons. They've even got similar ratings on RT and IMBD, so I can't be too off base.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by Arachnid1
IMO Cap 2, Iron Man, and Homecoming were the best. They felt the most focused.

I liked IW but it felt too disjointed focusing on so many characters across so many settings. The Black Order also fell flat as villains (other than Ebony Maw). I honestly think they're the worst villains we've gotten in the MCU.

IM1, CAP2 an GotG1 are the MCU's top three and in that order, imo.

I really enjoyed SM:HC though, definitely one of their better films. Holland is a superb SM and the film had one of the MCU's best villains with The Vulture.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Robtard
IM1, CAP2 an GotG1 are the MCU's top three and in that order, imo.

I really enjoyed SM:HC though, definitely one of their better films. Holland is a superb SM and the film had one of the MCU's best villains with The Vulture.

Actually, I forgot about Guardians in my mental list. It was a fantastic start and opened up so many possibilities. Definitely deserving of a top spot. Of my top 3, it may be interchangeable with IM.

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I forgot about Guardians
Arachnid1 Senior Member
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
ares834 Senior Member
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I honestly think they're the worst villains we've gotten in the MCU.

Well, that's because they are simply goons and not meant to carry the movie. I thought they were adequate for their role.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by ares834
Well, that's because they are simply goons and not meant to carry the movie. I thought they were adequate for their role.
Yeah, I get there's no way for them to get fleshed out when sharing the spotlight with so many characters, but they were still the centerpiece in tons of set pieces. They are just goons, but that kills a lot of the tension in their fights. There had to be a better way to include them. Maybe establish them in a prior movie so they actually feel like a threat? Maybe focus on two of them for IW and give the other two more focus in Endgame? idk

Also, they wasted the holy HELL out of Proxima Midnight. Her actress is fantastic, and I've wanted her in the MCU for a while now. They definitely could have made more use of her.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Black Dwarf (or Cul Obsidian, as he's officially called in the movie) appeared to be much more formidable than his comic version, though.

In comics, he's Black Order's Rhino.

Quincy Debaser

See I'm likewise a big spidey fan, so I was pretty meh on Homecoming.

Robtard Senor Member

I personally wasn't a fan how bad they gimped Vision to move the plot along. He had the Mind Stone at his disposal and a very formidable body in its own right, that would have made him one of the most powerful beings in the universe, but a back-stab gimps him to nigh uselessness for the whole film.

I'd have preferred if Thanos took him out while he was in full power; not a half-dying gimp.

Putinbot1 Restricted

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I wonder if the time travel theories are legit. I'm usually not a fan of time travel in movies (lazy) but god damn, that would be the perfect entrance for Reed Richards. I won't accept anyone else in Marvel but him coming up with that kind of tech.
Tony and Doom both can do it on there own in the comics in Iron Man 150 it's clear how easily.

StiltmanFTW CBvF

Corvus was meant to kill Wolverine and Hulk in comics, lol. Editors didn't let it happen in the end, but the intent was there.

So him crippling Vision is not some huge feat. Would've preferred if they focused on Corvus' immortality enchantment instead, tbh.

Robtard Senor Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Corvus was meant to kill Wolverine and Hulk in comics, lol. Editors didn't let it happen in the end, but the intent was there.

So him crippling Vision is not some huge feat. Would've preferred if they focused on Corvus' immortality enchantment instead, tbh.

I get Corvus and his glaive are powerful, but it seemed way lazy to have Vision virtually sidelined by a single stab. IMO, having Thanos (with 5 stones) crush him after a bit of a scuffle would have been better.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Black Dwarf (or Cul Obsidian, as he's officially called in the movie) appeared to be much more formidable than his comic version, though.

In comics, he's Black Order's Rhino.

He put up a fight but I never felt like he had any reasonable chance of winning. Just another faceless lacky the Avengers were going to put down. He was also the most bland of the Black Order. I don't think I remember a single line from the guy.

Originally posted by Quincy
See I'm likewise a big spidey fan, so I was pretty meh on Homecoming.
Thats fair. It's all opinion 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
I personally wasn't a fan how bad they gimped Vision to move the plot along. He had the Mind Stone at his disposal and a very formidable body in its own right, that would have made him one of the most powerful beings in the universe, but a back-stab gimps him to nigh uselessness for the whole film.

I'd have preferred if Thanos took him out while he was in full power; not a half-dying gimp.

Yeah, this bothered me too. There is no way in hell Vision and Wanda need saving by Cap and Widow. Vision alone should have stomped Proxima and Glaive. IDK why they just fridged him but it was poor use of the character.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Tony and Doom both can do it on there own in the comics in Iron Man 150 it's clear how easily.
To be fair, thats from bronze age comics. Things were a bit wackier back then (lol @ Tony teaming with King Arthur against Doom). Plus, they didn't do it on their own. They used a time machine created by Doom. Doom constructed it with a bunch of parts/components he bought from Stark's company but it was something he planned and built. Like Reed, I can see Doom pulling something like that off. But Stark? Nah. Especially not MCU Stark.

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by Robtard
I get Corvus and his glaive are powerful, but it seemed way lazy to have Vision virtually sidelined by a single stab. IMO, having Thanos (with 5 stones) crush him after a bit of a scuffle would have been better.

Just because Whedon wanked him in AoU, doesn't mean he suddenly deserves to fight against Thanos w/ the complete Infinity Gauntlet.

I do agree that he got weakened and defeated too easily, though. His entire purpose in IW was showing how Wanda loves dildos with its own AI.

Surtur Restricted

I agree wanked characters do not deserve to fight against Thanos.

StiltmanFTW CBvF
Originally posted by Arachnid1
He put up a fight but I never felt like he had any reasonable chance of winning. Just another faceless lacky the Avengers were going to put down. He was also the most bland of the Black Order. I don't think I remember a single line from the guy.

That's because he never said anything, lol.

And yes, I also consider that to be an improvement.

MCU BO is missing one member, btw. Supergiant.

Arachnid1 Senior Member

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's because he never said anything, lol.

And yes, I also consider that to be an improvement.

MCU BO is missing one member, btw. Supergiant.

LMAO jesus what a pointless character

Supergiant missing was probably a good thing if the rest of the Order is anything to go off of. Honestly, I'd probably have prefered them just cut out all together or replaced with different villains if they couldn't be improved. Thanos had been doing just fine by himself since the Bronze Age before they showed up in the Infinity arc a few years back.