How to fix America's ghettos? · General Discussion Forum

Kurk Restricted

How to fix America's ghettos?

I live near quite a few, unfortunately, and soon might even be forced to work EMS in one.

What needs to be done to fix these rust-belt induced ghettos and restore an acceptable quality of life for these people?

Assuming you were provided the means to do so, what would you implement?

Can Maslow's hierarchy of needs apply here? Nature-nurture effect?

cdtm Restricted

Roll back the "profit margins at any cost" narrative.

You know, the reason for outsourcing, child labor, undocumented exploitation, and state pork/collusion schemes to try and keep businesses from leaving and destroying the tax base.

NemeBro Senior Member

Kill the black people.

ESB -1138 Sonic Speed

Re: How to fix America's ghettos?

Originally posted by Kurk
I live near quite a few, unfortunately, and soon might even be forced to work EMS in one.
What needs to be done to fix these rust-belt induced ghettos and restore an acceptable quality of life for these people?
Assuming you were provided the means to do so, what would you implement?
Can Maslow's hierarchy of needs apply here? Nature-nurture effect?

First would be to establish a competent law enforcing presence in the ghetto. No one will try to invest in high-crime areas unless you can get crime taken care of.

Tzeentch #gottem

Deport all poor people to Iraq

Flyattractor Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
Kill the black people.

Well what ever you do...Do NOT Take their Obama Phones away from them....

Student "ALLEGEDALY" Attacks Teacher after Phone is taken away....

Tzeentch #gottem

good one MAGAbro xD

BackFire Blood. It's nature's lube

Invest money into those areas.

Hire more/better police for the area.

cdtm Restricted

Re: Re: How to fix America's ghettos?

Originally posted by ESB -1138
First would be to establish a competent law enforcing presence in the ghetto. No one will try to invest in high-crime areas unless you can get crime taken care of.

That's been done. It's called gentrification.

Of course, the crime elements just move somewhere else, but NO ONE will invest in people too poor to contribute anything. Try and drive out the poor and lure in the more affluent, sure, but these things don't happen out of altruistic duty to poor ghetto dwellers.

Kurk Restricted

I would try to recondition these people; get them trained in something—anything. Plumbers, electricians, truck-driving, welding, etc. That'll get them to a better life-style. The question is, would they be open to doing that? Or are they too far gone in their 'ways'?

Emperordmb LSDMB

End the war on drugs and inculcate sexual morality.

cdtm Restricted

Better question is: Who would put in real effort to train people.

It probably takes more money to do it right then government is willing to spend (They cut corners on tsa airport security, for gods sake.)

And the private sector has no reason to care, what with an employers market and an entire world to pick qualified candidates.

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by cdtm
Better question is: Who would put in real effort to train people.
It probably takes more money to do it right then government is willing to spend (They cut corners on tsa airport security, for gods sake.)
And the private sector has no reason to care, what with an employers market and an entire world to pick qualified candidates.

"One man should be able to make a difference if he is powerful enough."

Kurk Restricted

Originally posted by Emperordmb
End the war on drugs and inculcate sexual morality.

What should be done about the opioid epidemic? I'm sick of giving narcan to low-lives. One part of me wants to execute all druggies like Duterte; another part of me wants me to completely legalize all drugs, work for a pharmaceutical company, and profit off of other peoples' shitty life decisions.

cdtm Restricted

I'll be honest, I'm finding it harder to demonize drug dealers.

It ruins lives, but nothing underhanded about it. Everyone knows whats what.

Not like someone dedicating the best years of their lives to a company, only to be forced out because you're too old (Like happened to my father), or some other bullshit tactics designed to maximize profits (Amazon's strategy of pitting employees against one another is pretty slimy, imo)

That's not even getting into the typical shady practices like "buy product someone needs to live, raise prices by 5000%, profit" or ip hoard and sue schemes, to name a few.

And I know the common response is "So work for yourself/get a better job", but for me that's a non answer. It assumes a janitor or, retail worker, or anyone working for anyone else deserves whatever they get.

People who believe that either lack empathy, or are closet wanna be's who see themselves controlling the whip someday, which makes them sociopaths..

BackFire Blood. It's nature's lube

Originally posted by Emperordmb
End the war on drugs and inculcate sexual morality.

First one's good. Second one is questionable. What constitutes sexual morality? Who decides on what that is? What if one disagrees? What does sexual morality have to do with fixing the ghettos? So on.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'll be honest, I'm finding it harder to demonize drug dealers.
It ruins lives, but nothing underhanded about it. Everyone knows whats what.
Not like someone dedicating the best years of their lives to a company, only to be forced out because you're too old (Like happened to my father), or some other bullshit tactics designed to maximize profits (Amazon's strategy of pitting employees against one another is pretty slimy, imo)
That's not even getting into the typical shady practices like "buy product someone needs to live, raise prices by 5000%, profit" or ip hoard and sue schemes, to name a few.
And I know the common response is "So work for yourself/get a better job", but for me that's a non answer. It assumes a janitor or, retail worker, or anyone working for anyone else deserves whatever they get.
People who believe that either lack empathy, or are closet wanna be's who see themselves controlling the whip someday, which makes them sociopaths..

I think demonizing drug dealers is a cop out. They're giving people what they want. The goal needs to be enhancing the lives of the drug users to the point that they don't seek out drug dealers in the first place.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by BackFire
First one's good.

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Originally posted by BackFire
Second one is questionable. What constitutes sexual morality? Who decides on what that is? What if one disagrees?

I mean I'd say not getting a woman pregnant then running off is a start. That should be a pretty solid baseline if nothing else. It's not really something that could or should be done by force though. The tension of morality is something each individual must take up the burden of properly bearing, and it's not something they can be forced into.

Originally posted by BackFire
What does sexual morality have to do with fixing the ghettos? So on.

Single motherhood is the largest predictor of inter-generational poverty, and a child being raised without a father is much more likely to drop out of school, become a violent criminal, and have all sorts of other difficulties in their lives... and is more likely to get pregnant/get someone else pregnant out of wedlock.

BackFire Blood. It's nature's lube

Understood.

Are you in favor of sexual education being taught in public schools? Also do you think poverty-stricken young people should have cheap/free access to birth control methods, such as condoms and the like?

Adam_PoE Senior Member

Solve poverty.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by BackFire
Are you in favor of sexual education being taught in public schools?

That depends on two things.

The first is the age of the children. I don't think prepubescent kids in elementary school need to be learning about sex positions for example.

Secondly it depends on the aim and nature of the sex ed. I think they should learn the knowledge they need to be equipped with for their own safety and well being, how to use birth control, avoid STDs, unwanted pregnancy, etc. but I don't think the place of sex ed is moral propaganda. I don't think the people doing sex ed should delve into a moral treatise on why homosexuality is moral or that there are twenty billion genders even though I agree with the former of the two, just as I wouldn't want the promulgation of a moralistic obsession with abstinence only.

Originally posted by BackFire
Also do you think poverty-stricken young people should have cheap/free access to birth control methods, such as condoms and the like?

As far as I'm aware condoms aren't particularly expensive. I do get a little dicey on the suggestion that the government should appropriate money from the taxpayers to provide a service to people not relating to the protection of their rights though.