How to fix America's ghettos?

Started by cdtm3 pages

Kill all lawyers/former lawyers.

Originally posted by cdtm
Kill all lawyers/former lawyers.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
If the drug doesn't cause any externalities then I see no reason for it to be banned. There are drugs that can make someone super violent and aggressive, those should remain illegal or heavily regulated. Opioids, I believe, don't do anything like that. The government shouldn't have any say of what you do to yourself. It's not their job to protect you from yourself.

Maybe not directly, but indirectly. E.g Overdosing when driving causing innocent parties to die in accidents.

Let the filth die. I hope the pharmaceuticals make as much money as they possibly can off of the low-lives.

Originally posted by Kurk

Maybe not directly, but indirectly. E.g Overdosing when driving causing innocent parties to die in accidents.

Let the filth die. I hope the pharmaceuticals make as much money as they possibly can off of the low-lives.

That's why you make it illegal to be under the influence while driving like we do with alchohol and weed

Originally posted by ESB -1138
What are you reinstating the draft for? Not really given them a purpose outside of forced military service which won't help

Not every job in the military is a bullet shield. There'sof jobs in the military, it gives poor people the ability to learn a skill, for free and gives them a purpose. And most importantly, gets them off the street.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Not every job in the military is a bullet shield. There'sof jobs in the military, it gives poor people the ability to learn a skill, for free and gives them a purpose. And most importantly, gets them off the street.

First off, we shouldn't force people into the hands of politicians. The entire point of America was to maximize the freedom of the individual which was laid down by people like John Locke. And as Milton Friedman pointed out, the draft doesn't inspire civic virtue but the opposite of it. If people are not already willingly joining the military, go ahead and see how motivate they are when you force them in. It'll be like how many are in the South Korean army.

Secondly, jobs are not an endless supply in the military. You know what happens to people in the Air Force (for example) who were going in a certain career field that is filled? They either get placed on janitorial duties (like a guy I knew who had to wait 2 years until he actually started to train for his job) or get put into another career field (9 times out of 10 that would be Security Forces aka military police). Sometimes you just do janitorial duties only to be sent to SF.

Third, the idea that joining the military is going to fix the ghetto isn't true. Gang members already join the military to become better gang members when they discharged. As noted by the FBI, "Military training could ultimately result in more sophisticated and deadly gangs...as well deadly assaults on law enforcement officers." They join and then share their knowledge and skills with gangs on the streets. So you could potentially be making the ghetto a worse place than it already is. An example would be in 2005 when a gang member shot and killed 2 policeman using training he acquired in the Marines.

Originally posted by snowdragon
How is that done?

It will never be solved by the federal govt. We know it is not done at the top of our govt, so where do we assign value and attribute personal, business and govt values to assist in fixing said problems?

A rhetorical question merits a rhetorical answer.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
A rhetorical question merits a rhetorical answer.

Mine wasn't rhetorical, GG.

Solve Poverty

What is your proposed solution?

Originally posted by BackFire

Hire more/better police for the area.


Make sure police departments are subject to oversight by an independent commission.

Originally posted by Kurk
What should be done about the opioid epidemic?.

Help end the addiction or fck off and mind your own buisness.

Increase opportunity, social mobility and life chances and reduce poverty.

The main way to end systematic discrimination against black people is to help the poor and underprivileged

-> suspend all voting id laws untill voting id's are easy to access for everyone
-> focus the criminal justice system on rehabilitation and end profit of prison motive

-> get rid of criminal records. If he/she is out of prison, then the government has lost any justification to violate his rights or deny him the full privileges of citizenship he's entitled to in exchange for following your laws. Allowing people to receive personal information about him without his consent is a direct violation of his privacy and greatly increases the chances of him coming back to prison.

-> school integration

-> stop environmental discrimination(ie: new york dumps most of it's waste in the bronx despite it's small size)

-> federally ban all laws that restrict the voting rights of ex convicts

-> make sure there are independent oversight comittees on police departments that both oversee the police and simulteously are fully free from the department's control

->end money-for-bail

-> federally ban "life without parole" convictions for non violent offenses:
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/111813-lwop-complete-report.pdf

-> replace prison time for minor offenses with community service

-> early sex education

-> widespread promotion and support of adoption centers for those without the means to care for a child

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The main way to end systematic discrimination against black people is to help the poor and underprivileged

1. suspend all voting id laws untill voting id's are easy to access for everyone
2. focus the criminal justice system on rehabilitation and end profit of prison motive

3. get rid of criminal records. If he/she is out of prison, then the government has lost any justification to violate his rights or deny him the full privileges of citizenship he's entitled to in exchange for following your laws. Allowing people to receive personal information about him without his consent is a direct violation of his privacy and greatly increases the chances of him coming back to prison.

4. school integration

5. stop environmental discrimination(ie: new york dumps most of it's waste in the bronx despite it's small size)

6. federally ban all laws that restrict the voting rights of ex convicts

7. make sure there are independent oversight comittees on police departments that both oversee the police and simulteously are fully free from the department's control

8. end money-for-bail

9. federally ban "life without parole" convictions for non violent offenses:
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/111813-lwop-complete-report.pdf

10. replace prison time for minor offenses with community service

11. early sex education

12. widespread promotion and support of adoption centers for those without the means to care for a child

I numbered your points to make it easier to discuss them.

1. No, they should make voting ID laws even more strict BUT make them free and make them multipurposed.

2. Agreed 100%.

3. This is a very very terrible idea but I understand that point. Perhaps sealing records after the probation period and only legitimate law enforcement and criminal justice reasons can be used to open them again? In other words, end the criminal background checks from employers and stop making those records public? We live in the information age, however; there would be scrubbers that would automatically pull that information from court websites and compile their own records so sealing records after time served won't work to keep things "secret." This would have to be mandated through legislation. An article VII.V addition to the American Civil Rights Act that makes it unlawful to discriminate based on criminal history. But that's just crazy. You probably wouldn't ever want to hire a convicted child rapist to babysit at the daycare. Tell me more about this idea of yours. Change my mind.

4. I don't think that works. In order for this to work I think you mean you want to force people to move, force people to integrate? Meaning, force this Hispanic family to move to this white neighborhood. Force this white family to move to this black neighborhood, etc. Because that's the only way to create school districts that are forcefully integrated, racially. Unless you mean bus kids from the ghettos to go to schools with the rich kids? Busing didn't work.

5. I didn't know that. That's terrible. If you had more info and/or examples of this, I could be better informed. I had difficulty finding stuff outside of your Bronx example. But it looks like it is illegal dumping so the laws are already there but need to be enforced.

6. Somewhat agree. They need their voting rights restored after probation ends.

7. This exists already. At municipal (sometimes), state (almost always), and federal (always) levels. I believe you want it to be more effective? Whenever you find out about clear police corruption, it's because those organizations already did their thing. You wouldn't know about that cop slamming the lady's face on the floor when she passed out from him pushing the breath out of her (this actually happened and it legit rustled my jimmies ) What you're wanting is for there to be harsher consequences. The only way to do this is to drastically reduce the power of police unions.

8. Mostly agree. You get a full refund on your bail money if your charges are dismissed or you are found innocent. I think the fines and fees should be applied if and only if you are found guilty. In other words, end bail, stop jailing or incarcerating people so much, and fine people far more than we do, now.

9. Agreed 100000%. And end 3-strike rules.

10. Agreed. But judges need to be empowered to come up with alternative consequences and not just use jail or prison as the only outcomes from guilty judgments. I liked the judge the sentenced that one girl to have to walk to work or school for her uppity bad attitude and terrible behavior. Kept her out of jail. But she still got a consequence. Here is a video on this judge and his unorthodox methods.

11. Right. And it needs to include free contraceptives and where to get them. And abstinence needs to be mentioned briefly but the primary focus should be on safe sex and safe sexual choices. Young women and men need to be taught about shitty situations and how to avoid them. And they need to be taught that drunken sex is not rape.

12. Right. Let's end the war on drugs. Let's end all the hundreds of billions of dollars being funneled into the CJS for this drug war. And put lots of them money into other much more helpful social programs such as drug rehab, adoption, and help for parents and children (psychological help and teaching centers to train parents).

Do you have more? I like your post. Some great ideas.

Another self-proposed one-word solution that is also the problem: serotonin

I would think Soylent Green would be a better idea.


1. No, they should make voting ID laws even more strict BUT make them free and make them multipurposed.

Yeah see, states are gonna do the first part to control who votes in elections while avoiding addressing the second part.

Perhaps sealing records after the probation period and only legitimate law enforcement

Sure, but the government shouldn't need records at all for minor crimes. Really though if the justice system works properly, serious criminals who come out have been rehabilitated or are still in untill they have been. If prisons are doing what they should do, there really shouldn't be a need for records at all. You might want to start with making sure minor crimes are completely erased. Specific organizations that have reason not to hire someone based on your example(your example) can ask the govt for special permission to look at relevant records.

After you've got rehabilitation down to a science, then you can start erasing major exc onvicts from records. Again, if someone commits a serious crime, (rape/murder) and have served the sentence the court gave them, then they should only be released on the condition of rehabilitation. Naturally if the sentence doesn't have "without parole", rehabilitation shouldn't be saved for the end of the sentence.

At municipal (sometimes)

Yeah, that was what i was referring to. IE, NYPD has oversight, but it isn't independent from the NYPD. That is, unless some recent changes have been made.

Do you have more?

-> reform affirmative action to be based on circumstance rather than race.

-> have welfare be received in exchange for some sort of public service which can be used as access to public jobs. (might need exceptions for mothers and families ect.)

-> kids are booted out of public school at 21. As an incentive on schools to do their jobs, they should be forced to deal with their failures for as long as it takes.

Tell the kids about Dinosaurs
with memory enhancement kids can do any job they like