Surfer VS Superman

Started by TheHulkster4 pages

Originally posted by panthergod
Yes, they have.

bullets, chains , soup and sledgehammers. and Spider-Man.

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In the comic the two goofs beat on him. They were portrayed as dummies but they beat the stuffing out of Superman. He needed saving.

That's nice. in Kalibak's prior appearance in the leadup to Countdown/DoTNG he mauled Orion HTH.

Surfer, Firelord and Thor get chumped by Spider-Man, Venom's inferior at that point.

Darkseid has conquered the multiverse.

Is one puny small universe supposed to be impressive or something..? lmao.

Even as a teen Darksied was defeating Skyfather Zeus in super-speed combat, while Thanos gets beat up by the Thing and Carol ****ing Danvers. 😂 [/QUOTE]

DS is beat up by the batkick and resently by Diana solo.

Hey guys. You're making ghostman cry.

Originally posted by ghostman
who is better, in terms of..
1.intelligence
2.tactics
3.hth skill
1. I'm not sure who would, say, score higher on an IQ test, but Superman has historically shown great *creativity* with his (compared to Surfer's) limited powerset; whereas Surfer OTOH -- probably because he has such a huge/varied powerset, and thus writing stories could be tougher -- is typically PISed/CISed down to simply zipping around hurling cosmic bolts or raising forcefields. Occasionally he does something *exotic*, but I don't see this necessarily as an *intelligence* thing (tactical?).

I suppose one could argue that something like molecular rearrangement requires great intelligence (ie, knowing how to place all those molecules), but generally such a power is not seen this way.

2. Tactics IMO is related to intelligence, and again I give Superman the edge here because of his limited powerset. Generally, what seems to occur in comics is that, those with less use it better; those with more use it worse, this dynamic largely determined by story circumstances or apparent writer intent.

3. C'mon. H2H is Superman's thing, especially compared to Surfer. Soarin' Norrin has had his surprisingly great moments, but H2H proficiency, between these two, belongs to Superman.

In conclusion -- and I'm not saying this was necessarily done deliberately -- but it seems these 3 traits, from the onset, were picked to favor Superman. How about, Who's better at pacifistic monologuing?

((Sorry I didn't post any scans, but 1) my comments were broad brushstrokes, and 2) I'm too lazy.))

Another example of skill and intelligence with a limited powerset, as noted by Mindship.

The thing that makes this unfair is, Surfer doesn't have to get fancy with his powers, change frequencies, etc... his abilities just allows him to do it. Whatever it is that needs to be done, he can just will it to happen. He doesn't need to be tactical because there is no need for it. If he wants to stop a forest fire without a single person receiving a scratch, put a shield over them and turn into rain. I know that is a bad example but I'm sure you all get the point. He is a character that can do anything whereas Superman doesn't have a choice but to utilize his powers in a certain way. That is the difference here. We are talking about a guy that can look your way and snatch your soul out. A guy that turned to snow and was talking to everyone that was around him. A guy that can grant you powers, go back in time, see in the future, transfer his feelings across a planet, create black holes, create LIFE. This is an uncalled for thread because the level of power here is completely different. Surfer IS the definition of a being with God like powers.

You're just mad they didn't compare Surfer vs Hulk Carv.

Here, Superman is able to perfectly calibrate the right dosage of microwave radiation needed to cure people, without giving them cancer:
https://m.imgur.com/a/3uMpW

But it's not just limited to his HV! Here he uses his super shout and super hearing:
https://m.imgur.com/a/ShNNz

I note Carver's complaint that Surfer has no showings, because he doesn't need to.

That's a fair point. How about h2h skill? Surfer has DEFINITELY gone punching in his fights. How is his skill there?

Superman (trained by WW and Bats):
https://m.imgur.com/a/5plLw

And again:
https://m.imgur.com/a/xb6CV

Originally posted by Bentley
You're just mad they didn't compare Surfer vs Hulk Carv.

🙁

How did you know?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Here, Superman is able to perfectly calibrate the right dosage of microwave radiation needed to cure people, without giving them cancer:
https://m.imgur.com/a/3uMpW

But it's not just limited to his HV! Here he uses his super shout and super hearing:
https://m.imgur.com/a/ShNNz

I note Carver's complaint that Surfer has no showings, because he doesn't need to.

That's a fair point. How about h2h skill? Surfer has DEFINITELY gone punching in his fights. How is his skill there?

Superman (trained by WW and Bats):
https://m.imgur.com/a/5plLw

And again:
https://m.imgur.com/a/xb6CV

So Surfer doesn't need intelligence nor tactics? 😕

Originally posted by Bentley
So Surfer doesn't need intelligence nor tactics? 😕

Never said that.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Another example of skill and intelligence with a limited powerset, as noted by Mindship.

It's cute when comic book writers try and apply scientific principles to stories about a man who can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

Lol the recent one with Mjolnir was pretty funny.

Originally posted by cdtm
It's cute when comic book writers try and apply scientific principles to stories about a man who can shoot lasers out of his eyes.

Dont tell me you dont believe supes could do that..

Originally posted by panthergod
so more lies..?

Darkseid directly defeated Galactus with a literal thought's worth of raw power output -- Apokolips is a reflection of his innate power via the Omega Force, per Byrne, who has him outputting more power than Apokolips does in a year to manipulate it from the Source Wall. so with virtually zero effort/power output whatsoever-- and Galactus exclusively resisted being BFR'd from space/time by the guy who established that he is essential to space-time.

Galactus blasted Darkseid backwards into a building and ripped his clothes, though.

Oh, and that was a younger past Darkseid nowhere near as powerful as modern Darkseid, who absorbed multiple pantheons worth of power in the meanwhile per Byrne.

Again, modern era he can exceed the entire planet of Apkolips' yearly power output within moments , where a mere fraction of the planet empowered by a mere thought's worth of power output from a much less powerful Darkseid -- all established on panel by the same writer-- humbled Galactus.

Try again. 😂

My man, you're certifiably insane. Darkseid was nothing compared to Galactus in power, and Bryne noted that he had significantly weaken Galactus for Apokolips to not be wiped out by making him hungry. Even still, he was far above Darkseid.

You can compare Darkseid vs. Galactus as a whole separately, but arguing that their crossover (Which isn't even usable on this board) is anything but Power Cosmic >>>>> Darkseid and Apokolips is insane.

And we are way off topic.

Originally posted by panthergod
Translation: you can't handle anti DC BS being dismantled so you're whining to mods like a child. if you dont want to discuss or debate, GTFO.

what in the **** are you talking about child? i asked for three simple things and you and all the other sodomites are bringing up nonsense about cyborg superman and darkseid. this thread is about
1.intellect
2.tactics
3.hth

and you couldn't even get that right. time to have a seat bottom boy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My man, you're certifiably insane. Darkseid was nothing compared to Galactus in power, and Bryne noted that he had significantly weaken Galactus for Apokolips to not be wiped out by making him hungry. Even still, he was far above Darkseid.

You can compare Darkseid vs. Galactus as a whole separately, but arguing that their crossover (Which isn't even usable on this board) is anything but Power Cosmic >>>>> Darkseid and Apokolips is insane.

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Originally posted by ghostman
what in the **** are you talking about child? i asked for three simple things and you and all the other sodomites are bringing up nonsense about cyborg superman and darkseid. this thread is about
1.intellect
2.tactics
3.hth

and you couldn't even get that right. time to have a seat bottom boy.

Hey now.

I am on topic with scans👆