Kurse VS Thanos H2H

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
We are given the distance the leviathan took to stop. The timing is irrelevant for it could be PIS or the movie just wanted to emphasize on the scene.

Besides, that's a more accurate way of finding the deceleration.

A few things.
1. The leviathan wasn't completely stopped.
2. The initial punch did almost nothing to stop the momentum.
3. Hulk braced and used the concrete as an anchor to slow down the leviathan

Originally posted by h1a8
The time it took to stop is valid as we see nearly the entire sequence. Basically the leviathan was going slower than 20m/s.

A few things.
1. The leviathan wasn't completely stopped.
2. The initial punch did almost nothing to stop the momentum.
3. Hulk braced and used the concrete as an anchor to slow down the leviathan

Are you just intentionally ignoring my post or just intentionally acting stupid or something?

😂

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Are you just intentionally ignoring my post or just intentionally acting stupid or something?

Let's put it this way, The guy claimed it was the ground that provided the force for Hulk's feat.

Does that answer your question?

Originally posted by h1a8
The time it took to stop is valid as we see nearly the entire sequence. Basically the leviathan was going slower than 20m/s.

A few things.
1. The leviathan wasn't completely stopped.
2. The initial punch did almost nothing to stop the momentum.
3. Hulk braced and used the concrete as an anchor to slow down the leviathan

1. He stopped moving forward.
2. That's why i said it took 8m to stop
3. The concrete was being destroyed under Hulk's feet!!! And Hulk was still between both object, which therefore means, the force had to pass through his body.

Mathematically and Physically that's a 2500Ton punch H1. I already proved it.

And time is answered by Nibedicus before. I would personally not use time for it can be PIS or movie effects.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hard to get that done without getting the address where they shot it then comparing buildings to get start/end point.

Easiest way is to check the Iron Man chase where the Leviathan crossed around 6 or so car lengths (close to 30m) in one second.

The speed at the time Hulk hit it is unknown.

We know the distance it took and the time it took.
That's enough to calculate the acceleration.

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed at the time Hulk hit it is unknown.

We know the distance it took and the time it took.
That's enough to calculate the acceleration.

Read what I wrote. I used your the numbers you provided, you dishonest nimrod (20 m/s).

I quantified the speed from 1:17-1:18 as compared to 1:19+. The sudden change of speed occurred from 1:17-1:8 as I quantified speeds past 1:19+. There is no denying this.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Read what I wrote. I used your the numbers you provided, you dishonest nimrod (20 m/s).

I quantified the speed from 1:17-1:18 as compared to 1:19+. The sudden change of speed occurred from 1:17-1:8 as I quantified speeds past 1:19+. There is no denying this.

It's possible that leviathan changed speeds as Hulk approached him (it could be slowing down in order to engage Hulk).

What is known trumps what is unknown.
Time and distance is known.
Everything else is speculation.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's possible that leviathan changed speeds as Hulk approached him (it could be slowing down in order to engage Hulk).

What is known trumps what is unknown.
Time and distance is known.
Everything else is speculation.

It is funny how willing you are to discredit your own numbers once they get used against you.

Shows how weasely and dishonest you are.

You’re a joke. 😆

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It is funny how willing you are to discredit your own numbers once they get used against you.

Shows how weasely and dishonest you are.

You’re a joke. 😆

@nibedicus
The velocity I gave does not gel with the distance and time. It contradicts them.

I used speed and time to calculate acceleration.
Josh used distance and velocity to calculate acceleration (which is a valid way too). He kept arguing 8m. So I plugged in the speed and time and found distance to be way off. So I thought and realized that the speed is wrong (time is shown and thus is not wrong).

Originally posted by h1a8
@nibedicus
The velocity I gave does not gel with the distance and time. It contradicts them.

I used speed and time to calculate acceleration.
Josh used distance and velocity to calculate acceleration (which is a valid way too). He kept arguing 8m. So I plugged in the speed and time and found distance to be way off. So I thought and realized that the speed is wrong (time is shown and thus is not wrong).

Or time is wrong...You relalize this is a movie right H1? The scene could have been slowed or modified in order to emphasize it or enhance it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVfFRNmDE4

The punch takes place at minute 0:52 and Hulk stops moving at minute 0:57-0:58. Which is 5-6s in contrast to the 10s you initially claimed.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Or time is wrong...You relalize this is a movie right H1? The scene could have been slowed or modified in order to emphasize it or enhance it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amVfFRNmDE4

The punch takes place at minute 0:52 and Hulk stops moving at minute 0:57-0:58. Which is 5-6s in contrast to the 10s you initially claimed.

Time can't be wrong since time is used to calculate speed. If you discredit time then you must discredit speed too (although we can only speculate speed at the time of impact).
The leviathan does not stop moving until Iron man blasts it at 1:02

Originally posted by h1a8
Time can't be wrong since time is used to calculate speed. If you discredit time then you must discredit speed too (although we can only speculate speed at the time of impact).
The leviathan does not stop moving until Iron man blasts it at 1:02

In a real world you are right, in a movie anything is possible. The distance is clearly given. The time of the scene could have been manipulated to make it more impressive for the audience.

And again it's 5-6s not 10.

The leviathan never stopped moving on a WHOLE. However we are talking about linear motion here (direction). The leviathan stopped moving forward, and as a result of Hulk's intereference his body had to move upwards arround the opposite force.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
In a real world you are right, in a movie anything is possible. The distance is clearly given. The time of the scene could have been manipulated to make it more impressive for the audience.

And again it's 5-6s not 10.

[B] The leviathan never stopped moving on a WHOLE. However we are talking about linear motion here (direction). The leviathan stopped moving forward, and as a result of Hulk's intereference his body had to move upwards arround the opposite force. [/B]

Linear momentum became angular momentum.
Hence the Leviathan didn't stop until 1:02

Josh, don't even bother talking to that kid.

You can spend 20 pages disproving his calculation, but when you do, he'll just simply come up with a new one (and without even taking a breath, crap on the same equation that he was touting as gospel the whole time prior) and it'll be your job to disprove it again.

He's already admitted that he has no faith in his math. So we can now simply laugh at him every time he brings it up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Linear momentum became angular momentum.
Hence the Leviathan didn't stop until 1:02

If I throw a ball at a wall and it bounces, does it mean the wall didn't have enough strength to stop the ball just because the ball didn't stop moving??

Reconsider your words H1!

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Josh, don't even bother talking to that kid.

You can spend 20 pages disproving his calculation, but when you do, he'll just simply come up with a new one (and without even taking a breath, crap on the same equation that he was touting as gospel the whole time prior) and it'll be your job to disprove it again.

He's already admitted that he has no faith in his math. So we can now simply laugh at him every time he brings it up.

He is really stubborn isn't he?

Challenge him to the BZ. Remove the '6 months' condition so he doesn't have an excuse. 😉

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He is really stubborn isn't he?

Challenge him to the BZ. Remove the '6 months' condition so he doesn't have an excuse. 😉

Anyway, I am keeping this open challenge to h1 and will repost it everytime he spouts his biased calculations.

Feel free to copy/paste it as a reply.

Open BZ challenge to h1 from Nibedicus:

Prove how much force the leviathan punch had. Winner is determined by how close the final answer is using BZ-corrected computations (after scrutiny from judges) by %. Loser has to leave the forums for 6 months.

My (Nibedicus) estimation: 2312 ton-force
H1’s estimation: 41 tons

Rules:
Assumptions/values based on best evidence provided is used.

Reference: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=653469&pagenumber=4

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Josh, don't even bother talking to that kid.

You can spend 20 pages disproving his calculation, but when you do, he'll just simply come up with a new one (and without even taking a breath, crap on the same equation that he was touting as gospel the whole time prior) and it'll be your job to disprove it again.

He's already admitted that he has no faith in his math. So we can now simply laugh at him every time he brings it up.

Feel free to critique the calculations.
Which parts do you disagree with?
Let's discuss it instead of the flaming talk.

Originally posted by h1a8
Feel free to critique the calculations.
Which parts do you disagree with?
Let's discuss it instead of the flaming talk.

I would if you would debate with any kind of honesty, but seeing how quickly you shift the goalposts, life, obfuscate and use double standards, I would rather meet you in an arena where there would be a decisive conclusion.

Because people have lives and would better spend their time not arguing in a circle with dishonest weasels.