Can JL Superman Tank Hulks Leviathan Punch?

Originally posted by h1a8
1/4 and less than 1/5 is a huge difference astronomically. Therefore it is an error. There is no way in hell you can get 1/4 with the numbers he posted. It's just plain wrong. The result should be LESS than (but close to) 1/5th based off the numbers he gave. He should have stated 0.20Lo (not 0.25Lo).

And stop ignoring the fact that I already said that his 1,000,000k gives an answer close to his 1/4th. I already mentioned it. There was absolutely no deception on my part. You never read my posts in completion.

Then you would rather take someone else's word when you can do it yourself. We all make mistakes (even Harvard Graduates). You basically trolling for pages. All you needed to do was check yourself and be objective.

You're straight up trying to change the story as if I would fall for that. 😆

That is how dishonest you are.

You claimed that the numbers Because Science guy posted never happened (see quote above).

You used YOUR math to argue that Because Science guy committed errors (see quote above).

You never pointed out where his errors in his logic/premise were. Just that the conclusion wasn't exact (w/c it wasn't supposed to be since he was basically providing estimates).

Your math is then debunked by another expert's math (whose numbers while not exactly similar is way closer than yours).

And now you are just trying to distract from your snafu by trying to make me waste my time with your irrelevant numbers.

If you would be an adult and stop wetting your diapers and simply admit your error, this would have been done by now. But instead you act like some angry 2 year old that can't get his way and stomp your foot over and over like a spoiled little brat. I guess resorting to lies, obfuscation, denial and trolling is all you can do.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet Nibe hasn't conceded his points. And this debate is going nowhere 'cause

1. You are bringing calculations [B] no one trusts
2. You are denying calculations many agree with...You are being stubborn and keep bringing unfounded calculations.

This should be taken to a BZ where judges can end up the dilema. Why are you afraid if you trust your cals so much!? [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
BZ what argument?
There is nothing to BZ?

See, this is the problem. h1 uses this type of distractionary tactic to bury the original BZ challenge I issued him regarding his math on the Hulk punch (w/c relevant to this topic). He is simply dragging this argument just so ppl won't see.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t653574.html

That is why I give him no respect (for almost all the posters here, I always debate with respect). I just find his level of dishonesty intolerable.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're straight up trying to change the story as if I would fall for that. 😆

That is how dishonest you are.

You claimed that the numbers Because Science guy posted never happened (see quote above).

You used YOUR math to argue that Because Science guy committed errors (see quote above).

You never pointed out where his errors in his logic/premise were. Just that the conclusion wasn't exact (w/c it wasn't supposed to be since he was basically providing estimates).

Your math is then debunked by another expert's math (whose numbers while not exactly similar is way closer than yours).

And now you are just trying to distract from your snafu by trying to make me waste my time with your irrelevant numbers.

If you would be an adult and stop wetting your diapers and simply admit your error, this would have been done by now. But instead you act like some angry 2 year old that can't get his way and stomp your foot over and over like a spoiled little brat. I guess resorting to lies, obfuscation, denial and trolling is all you can do.

How was my math debunked? Because I have different numbers than from that site? No, my numbers are different because I used 600,000k as the temperature, they used 1,000,000k..
I used the 1,000,000k and it matched the 0.186.

So nothing was debunked. Just used different values for the temperature. I explained this multiple times.
If you would have plugged in the numbers yourself, or read my post then you would have known this.

Also when I first calculated it, my result was so far off the science guys that it was clearly an error (on the order of 10^26 difference ) in his part. Your source shows it too. How can it not be wrong?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
See, this is the problem. h1 uses this type of distractionary tactic to bury the original BZ challenge I issued him regarding his math on the Hulk punch (w/c relevant to this topic). He is simply dragging this argument just so ppl won't see.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t653574.html

That is why I give him no respect (for almost all the posters here, I always debate with respect). I just find his level of dishonesty intolerable.

You basically trying to create a BZ on an argument that I’m not arguing. You are creating a strawman and putting words in my mouth.

Originally posted by h1a8
You basically trying to create a BZ on an argument that I’m not arguing. You are creating a strawman and putting words in my mouth.

So you agree that the Leviathan punch is 1000ton +?

Have you conceded?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
So you agree that the Leviathan punch is 1000ton +?

Have you conceded?

No! The punch ended in less than 1 second. The majority of the feat is a bracing feat (not a punching one). If Hulk stopped the it in a single punch (knocked it back) then we can put the feat over 1000 tons of punching force.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! The punch ended in less than 1 second. The majority of the feat is a bracing feat (not a punching one). If Hulk stopped the it in a single punch (knocked it back) then we can put the feat over 1000 tons of punching force.

Okay so Nibe did create a BZ about an argument you disagree with!

Originally posted by h1a8
How was my math debunked? Because I have different numbers than from that site? No, my numbers are different because I used 600,000k as the temperature, they used 1,000,000k..
I used the 1,000,000k and it matched the 0.186.

So nothing was debunked. Just used different values for the temperature. I explained this multiple times.
If you would have plugged in the numbers yourself, or read my post then you would have known this.

Also when I first calculated it, my result was so far off the science guys that it was clearly an error (on the order of 10^26 difference ) in his part. Your source shows it too. How can it not be wrong?

Lol. You are just going in circles now asking me to explain things I already explained over and over again. You are either thick/stupid or lying. I'm betting both.

Everyone can see your BS. Everyone saw your BS from the very beginning. I don't know why you even bother, you're not convincing anyone.

"Nothing was debunked" except your attempt to debunk. Read that line very carefully and maybe one day you'll get it.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay so Nibe did create a BZ about an argument you disagree with!

He's attempting to move the goalposts now. 😆

He claimed 41 tons "average force" of the punch as per his old computation. Now he wants to abandon it because he knows it is wrong.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is a contradiction when using your speed estimate along with the time and distance we observe.

Thus we must rule one of them out.
Speed should be rule out because the speed at the time of impact is an assumption, whereas the time and distance of the stoppage is observed during the scene and can be measured.

Calculations
Time t= 10s, Distance d = 15-20m (NOT 8m), Initial Velocity Vo = Unknown, and Final Velocity Vf = 0 (although Hulk never completely stopped it)

We have the following system of equations
1) Vf = Vo + a*t.
2) d = Vo*t + 1/2a*t^2

I'll use the larger estimate of d since that gives the greatest acceleration and hence greatest force.

Plugging in the values gives
1) 0 = Vo + 10a
2) 20 = 10Vo + 50a

Solving 1) for Vo and substituting into 2) yields a = -0.4m/s^2

1000tons = 910000kg
So the average stopping force is F = 910000*(-0.4)N = 41 tons of force.

h1 doesn't wanna stand by this math anymore so he's throwing the "ground provided most of the stopping force" angle.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He's attempting to move the goalposts now. 😆

He claimed 41 tons "average force" of the punch as per his old computation. Now he wants to abandon it because he knows it is wrong.

h1 doesn't wanna stand by this math anymore so he's throwing the "ground provided most of the stopping force" angle.

No! the average force of the feat (not the punch). The punch could be 100tons of force.

And you can't BZ something that is riddled with contradictions.

If you apply your estimate for speed and distance then that forces time to be less than a second.

So you have no reliable way to estimate the feat.

H1 accept the battlezone you piece of cowardly shit. I knew you’d try to weasel your way out, loser.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're straight up trying to change the story as if I would fall for that. 😆

That is how dishonest you are.

You claimed that the numbers Because Science guy posted never happened (see quote above).

You used YOUR math to argue that Because Science guy committed errors (see quote above).

You never pointed out where his errors in his logic/premise were. Just that the conclusion wasn't exact (w/c it wasn't supposed to be since he was basically providing estimates).

Your math is then debunked by another expert's math (whose numbers while not exactly similar is way closer than yours).

And now you are just trying to distract from your snafu by trying to make me waste my time with your irrelevant numbers.

If you would be an adult and stop wetting your diapers and simply admit your error, this would have been done by now. But instead you act like some angry 2 year old that can't get his way and stomp your foot over and over like a spoiled little brat. I guess resorting to lies, obfuscation, denial and trolling is all you can do.

Exactly, he can't point out any errors in their math, so he changes the numbers and then goes. See; when I used different numbers I got a different result. that proves that they made a mistake in their math.

h1 logic at it's "best".

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, he can't point out any errors in their math, so he changes the numbers and then goes. See; when I used different numbers I got a different result. that proves that they made a mistake in their math.

h1 logic at it's "best".

Who is they? Science guy made the error. Not anyone else.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who is they? Science guy made the error. Not anyone else.

Prove it

Originally posted by h1a8
No! the average force of the feat (not the punch). The punch could be 100tons of force.

And you can't BZ something that is riddled with contradictions.

If you apply your estimate for speed and distance then that forces time to be less than a second.

So you have no reliable way to estimate the feat.

^ Look how dishonest and weasely this guy is. When all that time we were debating the Leviathan punch, all of a sudden, it's "feat".

I mean look at this:

Originally posted by h1a8
A punch that was less than 50tons of force?
This thread is stupid.

Originally posted by h1a8
No! the average force of the feat (not the punch).

It's like he doesn't even know ppl can just look at the previous pages of the thread.

Now he's even trying to muddy up the waters to attempt a lowball of the "feat" while at the same time, down-low disavowing his math.

This is what I have to deal with.

Such a dishonest little turd.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who is they? Science guy made the error. Not anyone else.

>claims credentialed individual committed several errors.

>uses different values as credentialed individual to come up with different result.

>claims that since he came up with different result, credentialed individual must have committed an error.

>doesn't get the absolute stupidity of that.

#h1logic

😱

Originally posted by quanchi112
H1 accept the battlezone you piece of cowardly shit. I knew you’d try to weasel your way out, loser.

Don't know what keeps this guy posting.

I've already taken his dignity. At this point, it's just spite.

Kudo to Josh for trying to reason with the kid tho. Sorry man, you're wasting your time. I guess you now know why I treat this kid with such disdain.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Don't know what keeps this guy posting.

I've already taken his dignity. At this point, it's just spite.

Kudo to Josh for trying to reason with the kid tho. Sorry man, you're wasting your time. I guess you now know why I treat this kid with such disdain.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
^ Look how dishonest and weasely this guy is. When all that time we were debating the Leviathan punch, all of a sudden, it's "feat".

I mean look at this:

It's like he doesn't even know ppl can just look at the previous pages of the thread.

Now he's even trying to muddy up the waters to attempt a lowball of the "feat" while at the same time, down-low disavowing his math.

This is what I have to deal with.

Such a dishonest little turd.

The punch was less than 50 tons per observation, not calculation. The calculation is for the feat, not the punch.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He's attempting to move the goalposts now. 😆

He claimed 41 tons "average force" of the punch as per his old computation. Now he wants to abandon it because he knows it is wrong.

h1 doesn't wanna stand by this math anymore so he's throwing the "ground provided most of the stopping force" angle.

I never claim what the force of the punch was. I claimed the AVERAGE stopping force of the feat ( which includes the punch, the concrete, the bracing, etc)

Accept the battlezone and argue it there. Stop embarrassing yourself here you joke of a human being.