Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Well to be fair, cap's father, mother, and "brother" also died and he did watch the woman he love die, and still keep fighting. He willingly gave up his weapon to try to save what little comradery he and tiny had left. Had the country he loved turn it's back on him and call him a criminal. Cap had to earn his serum(the general wanted to give it to one of the brawny fighter types in his regime) which included sacrificing himself with the grenade.Cap never had to save someone he hated because I don't think cap is capable of hating anyone. He was one of the first to accept wanda and pietro despite the mind shinaigans
There's a HUGE difference when you see someone die of violence vs. dying from old age. One is a lot more traumatic, especially when they're killed in front of your eyes. Cap's weapon was not a magical weapon that allowed him to focus his power which he'd been using for centuries. Having your country call you a criminal is not quite as painful as making the decision to destroy your entire planet and then seeing your people massacred to near extinction. "Earning" the serum by showing you had good intentions is not quite the same as being banished, depowered, humiliated then having to learn to suck it all up and then actually sacrificing yourself.
Note, I am not saying Cap didn't go through some tough sh!t. I'm just saying that whatever obstacle Cap went through, Thor went through more. That doesn't mean I believe Thor wins, because Cap excels in other areas that Thor does not, but if we're only comparing traumatic experiences and challenges then Thor wins that category.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There's a HUGE difference when you see someone die of violence vs. dying from old age. One is a lot more traumatic, especially when they're killed in front of your eyes. Cap's weapon was not a magical weapon that allowed him to focus his power which he'd been using for centuries. Having your country call you a criminal is not quite as painful as making the decision to destroy your entire planet and then seeing your people massacred to near extinction. "Earning" the serum by showing you had good intentions is not quite the same as being banished, depowered, humiliated then having to learn to suck it all up and then actually sacrificing yourself.Note, I am not saying Cap didn't go through some tough sh!t. I'm just saying that whatever obstacle Cap went through, Thor went through more. That doesn't mean I believe Thor wins, because Cap excels in other areas that Thor does not, but if we're only comparing traumatic experiences and challenges then Thor wins that category.
True, I haven't said Thor wins either. I'm just commenting that it's clear that Thor has been through a lot more and higher level sh!t.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't remember FA stating how Caps parents died. but the woman he loved died of old age and we haven't seen how Cap will react to Bucky's death yet. even then Bucky just faded away. that's different then seeing someone stab or choke a loved one to death while you're forced to watch.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Thor got to live a couple thousand years as a royal celebrity. Cap was born weak and depowerd and was constantly getting bullied and beat because of it. That feels a bit more traumatic to me.Odin died of old age. Both of Steve's parents died in the war.
No, Odin didn't just die of old age. Loki's spell had quite a bit to do with it. I don't recall mention of how Steve's parents died. Where was it mentioned?
Many people are born in weak bodies, or at least weaker than average. Many people are bullied and beaten. Most of these people either learn to live with it or work hard to become stronger and tougher to stop the bullying. Cap got a shortcut and became stronger and tougher from a serum.
Thor still had to work to become a warrior. In fact we even see him struggle to realize his full power. Plus, how many people do you know of who get completely stripped of their powers, title, familial ties and get banished from their home?
Which do you think is more difficult? To start with nothing, struggle, then get everything with a snap? Or to start with everything, lose everything, then struggle to acquire them back?
P.S. - don't make me do this, I like Cap. I don't like having to belittle his achievements because they're great achievements. But blowing them out of proportion to lowball Thor is just wrong.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Personally, I feel if have everything and lose it, you still have a platform/base to work from. Having nothing but working for it shows a lot more drive and dedication. That's just me though
Yeah, we'll just have to disagree on that. A person who has nothing to lose won't have as difficult a time making sacrifices as someone who has everything to lose.
I mean guys, if we're talking about who's LOST more it's not even close.
Cap lost Agent Carter, which sucked yes. He also lost his parents when he was very young.
Thor lost his: Father, Mother, Brother, all his original friends, over half of his race, his planet, his eye, his pride, his girlfriend and his most trusted companion; Mjolnir.
Thor has lost much, MUCH more than anyone else in the MCU and his resolve has only gotten stronger. He could easily just give up from grief but he's decided to keep forging on and for my money, his line of : "I'd rather be a great man than a great King"is pretty telling.
Originally posted by NemeBroWell he isn’t perfect he lied about knowing and protecting Bucky who was responsible for Tony’s parents death. It wasn’t Bucky’s fault but still he lied.
You can certainly prefer Thor as a character or hero to Cap, sure, but when objectively analyzing who I'd prefer to be the one responsible for the security of the world, disregarding the frankly massive difference in their power? Cap is the honest answer IMHO. He's incorruptible, which Thor provably isn't.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilHow is it Thor's fault that his father died and brought Hela into the realm? How is it his fault that his mother died? How is it his fault that Thanos snapped Loki's neck in front of him? None of these are his fault. NONE. And he SAVED more Asgardians than he had any right to by having them flee Asgard. Thor's losses were put on him by Fate. Just as fate willed him to forge Stormbreaker and nearly kill Thanos. Fate has a part to play in Thor's tale yet, but ya, Thor's losses aren't on him.
Well it was thor's own fault tgat he lost everything. You have to take tgat into account