Originally posted by FrothByte
Not saying Thor wins here but...Thor lost his powers, status and home, had to suck it up, learn humility and sacrifice himself before he gained it all back. In comparison, Cap took a serum.
Thor had to destroy the Bifrost, ruining his race's ability for insta-travel and ruining his chance to go back to the woman he loved just to save a race that he hated.
His mother was killed, his father was killed, his brother was killed, his bestfriend was killed, his weapon was destroyed, his hair was cut, his eye was taken out, his entire planet was destroyed and majority of his remaining people massacred... yet he continued fighting and didn't give in to despair.
How exactly has Cap conquered more obstacles than this? Cap is more heroic in other aspects, he has better leadership skills, he's more inspirational, he gives better speeches, etc.... but in terms of conquering more obstacles he has nothing against Thor. Cap really didn't have that much to lose in the first place. Thor had much more to lose and indeed lost them.
And yet that is Thor's fault. Thor had a priviladge life! He was a pampered child with all the benefits of being the son of Odin!
The only difficulty he ever had was recovering Mjolinr, which in first place he himself lost for his ignorance and pride!
Furthermore, Thor is the king of Asgard. Saving Asgard from Hela and Malekith is HIS DUTY, whereas in the other hand, Captain America owes Earth nothing!
Sure Cap just took a syrup, but there were 7Billion other people who could have took the syrup and yet Cap was the worthiest and most-deserving one.
Difference here is, Odinson is a priviledge hero who has duties to serve as King of Asgard, whereas Cap was a poor sick and bullied guy who earned everything himself
Odinson is heroic, but Cap is just more.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
And yet that is Thor's fault. Thor had a priviladge life! He was a pampered child with all the benefits of being the son of Odin!The only difficulty he ever had was recovering Mjolinr, which in first place he himself lost for his ignorance and pride!
Furthermore, Thor is the king of Asgard. Saving Asgard from Hela and Malekith is HIS DUTY, whereas in the other hand, Captain America owes Earth nothing!
If that's your angle then you might want to consider that Cap is a soldier and it's his duty to serve and protect his country. In fact for his first 3 movies he was basically following orders. A prince has no obligation to fight in the front line whereas same can't be said of a soldier.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Sure Cap just took a syrup, but there were 7Billion other people who could have took the syrup and yet Cap was the worthiest and most-deserving one.
Oh please, don't exaggerate. Dr. Erskine didn't audition 7 billion people before choosing Steve for the SS program. They considered a handful of candidates and Erskine chose Steve for his attitude. Attitude alone does not make one heroic. It's definitely A factor, but not THE ONLY factor.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B] Difference here is, Odinson is a priviledge hero who has duties to serve as King of Asgard, whereas Cap was a poor sick and bullied guy who earned everything himself
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So basically what you're saying is that all the deaths, difficulties and violence Thor has experienced don't matter as much as Cap's simply because Thor has more money and privilege? Do you realize how ridiculously discriminatory that makes you sound? That's like saying a rich woman getting raped is not as horrible as the average woman getting raped simply because the rich woman has more money.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Odinson is heroic, but Cap is just more.
No, both Thor and Cap are clearly heroic, almost equally so... which is why I thought this would make a good thread. The difference between us is that I'm unbiased enough to realize that they excel in different factors which contribute to both of them being heroic.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If that's your angle then you might want to consider that Cap is a soldier and it's his duty to serve and protect his country. In fact for his first 3 movies he was basically following orders. A prince has no obligation to fight in the front line whereas same can't be said of a soldier.
He was a sick bullied and massively understimated guy!!!! He was rejected in his first audition!!! The only reason he participated and saved the entire world was because HE WANTED TO and not because it WAS HIS DUTY!
You clearly haven't watch Captain America, go watch and then come back here son!
Originally posted by FrothByte
Oh please, don't exaggerate. Dr. Erskine didn't audition 7 billion people before choosing Steve for the SS program. They considered a handful of candidates and Erskine chose Steve for his attitude. Attitude alone does not make one heroic. It's definitely A factor, but not THE ONLY factor.
He was the chosen one amongst USA's entire army! Sure isn't 7B it was just an exaggeration from my part, but it's damn a lot.
The biggest difference between a hero and a villain is attitude towards life and society. Reconsider your words!
Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically what you're saying is that all the deaths, difficulties and violence Thor has experienced don't matter as much as Cap's simply because Thor has more money and privilege? Do you realize how ridiculously discriminatory that makes you sound? That's like saying a rich woman getting raped is not as horrible as the average woman getting raped simply because the rich woman has more money.
Clearly you didn't understand what i said. Go read it again.
Odinson is Heir of Asgard. One of the Universes greatest empire and which has many enemies!
It's but his duty to expect attacks and war!
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, both Thor and Cap are clearly heroic, almost equally so... which is why I thought this would make a good thread. The difference between us is that I'm unbiased enough to realize that they excel in different factors which contribute to both of them being heroic.
I never said they weren't heroic! Damn Tony Stark is heroic.
Cap's has had it harder! He has excelled and built a title for himself whilst Odinson has just fullfilled what is required of him!
Cap is the most heroic. Thread answered!
Captain America:
- A no one whose future was to be a random American person with a 'no one cares' future.
- He was sick, small, and underestimated.
- He was rejected to participate in WW2 and bullied.
- Despite being bullied he kept working hard and manage to enter the academy (As a random soldier destined to get killed by a Nazi!)
- He was in poor condition and yet managed to win all his courses in the academy.
- He sacrificed himself into what looked like a granade to safe his pals proving his massively heroic attitude.
- Finally rewarded for his attitude earning the SSS and becoming America's idol and embassador in WW2.
- He made the ultimate sacrifice by crashing Red Skull's plane into the ice saving a World who 1. Never believed in him 2. Mistreated him
Thor:
- Son of Odin, and heir of Asgard
- He was strong, powerful and damn handsome.
- He was given Mjolnir, one of the Universe's most power weapon at its time
- His pride and ego made him lose Mjolnir and his Powers
- He was casted to Earth where he had a decent lifetime and being looked over by Jane Foster and her friends
- He finally became humble and got a punch from Destroyer making him 'Worthy again'.
- Went to Asgard to fulfill his duty as heir to the throne, and fix something HE STARTED! He defeated Loki....Which is expected since he is the true son of Odin, and had Mjolnir which>>>>>Odin staff!
That is more than enough to clearly see which one is the most heroic one. The simple fact that you are actually comparing them is BS
Now i could keep moving on with Thor Dark World and CA:CW. But I think i brough enough comparison to make a clear difference here.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Captain America:
- A no one whose future was to be a random American person with a 'no one cares' future.
- He was sick, small, and underestimated.
- He was rejected to participate in WW2 and bullied.
- Despite being bullied he kept working hard and manage to enter the academy (As a random soldier destined to get killed by a Nazi!)
- He was in poor condition and yet managed to win all his courses in the academy.
- He sacrificed himself into what looked like a granade to safe his pals proving his massively heroic attitude.
- Finally rewarded for his attitude earning the SSS and becoming America's idol and embassador in WW2.
[B]- He made the ultimate sacrifice by crashing Red Skull's plane into the ice saving a World who 1. Never believed in him 2. Mistreated himThor:
- Son of Odin, and heir of Asgard
- He was strong, powerful and damn handsome.
- He was given Mjolnir, one of the Universe's most power weapon at its time
- His pride and ego made him lose Mjolnir and his Powers
- He was casted to Earth where he had a decent lifetime and being looked over by Jane Foster and her friends
- He finally became humble and got a punch from Destroyer making him 'Worthy again'.
- Went to Asgard to fulfill his duty as heir to the throne, and fix something HE STARTED! He defeated Loki....Which is expected since he is the true son of Odin, and had Mjolnir which>>>>>Odin staff!That is more than enough to clearly see which one is the most heroic one. The simple fact that you are actually comparing them is BS
Now i could keep moving on with Thor Dark World and CA:CW. But I think i brough enough comparison to make a clear difference here. [/B]
So you admit that you're basing your ENTIRE opinion on just the first Captain America and Thor movies. Thank you for admitting that you completely disregarded 83% of the characters' arc in forming your opinion.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you admit that you're basing your ENTIRE opinion on just the first Captain America and Thor movies. Thank you for admitting that you didn't consider 80% of the characters' arc in forming your opinion.
Captain America: The First Avenger and Thor 1.
And I made a quick resume. Picked the most relevant information from both movies.
Why? You want me to go make a Captain America: The Winter Soldier and a Thor: The Dark World comparisson too?
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Thank you for admitting you can't defend your position nor back up my evidences.Captain America is the most heroic, get over it.
You based your ENTIRE opinion of Cap from 1 movie out of his 6. A movie where he was new to his powers, had to undergo the most change, and made his biggest sacrifice compared to his other solo movies.
You then compared that to 1 Thor movie out of 6, picking the movie where he was most arrogant and lost the least compared to his other solo movies.
And you expect us to take your opinions seriously? lol. Fail, Josh, utter failure. This is almost as stupid as your KO definition.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You based your ENTIRE opinion of Cap from 1 movie out of his 6. A movie where he was new to his powers, had to undergo the most change, and made his biggest sacrifice compared to his other solo movies.You then compared that to 1 Thor movie out of 6, picking the movie where he was most arrogant and lost the least compared to his other solo movies.
And you expect us to take your opinions seriously? lol. Fail, Josh, utter failure. This is almost as stupid as your KO definition.
You want me to bring you the other movies whilst you can barely cope with 1 of them!??? 😂
Finish eating your food before asking for more!
LMAO!! Wont even address the rest of the stupidity you said, since it will only confuse you more.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You want me to bring you the other movies whilst you can barely cope with 1 of them!??? 😂Finish eating your food before asking for more!
LMAO!! Wont even address the rest of the stupidity you said, since it will only confuse you more.
So you're passing judgement on the entire 6-course meal after only tasting the appetizer?
Only an idiot would think an assessment like that would be accurate. You completely disregarded 83% of their character arcs.
Damn boy, when will you stop making a fool of yourself?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So you're passing judgement on the entire 6-course meal after only tasting the appetizer?Only an idiot would think an assessment like that would be accurate. You completely disregarded 83% of their character arcs.
Damn boy, when will you stop making a fool of yourself?
BTW, he does realize that Thor sacrificed his life in order to save people from the Destroyer? that is actually just as heroic as anything Cap did in his first movie.
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