Originally posted by quanchi112
No context always matters. This is why you’re one of the worst debaters on this site. You just repeat nonsense and can’t even rebut anything. Thor wins. You’re shit at debating.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Says a fat kid who can’t control his own eating. How is diabetes? Do you enjoy it?
Its nice playing your psychologist Quan but the thread isnt concerned with you personal problems.
Thanks for the concession still! 😂
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderI won. You can’t refute anything I said. You are probably eating right now so I get your focus isn’t all there. You like to eat. I love to debate. I have a balance you’re a nasty human being who failed another debate. Finish your potato chips.
Its nice playing your psychologist Quan but the thread isnt concerned with you personal problems.Thanks for the concession still! 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
I won. You can’t refute anything I said. You are probably eating right now so I get your focus isn’t all there. You like to eat. I love to debate. I have a balance you’re a nasty human being who failed another debate. Finish your potato chips.
Just stay way from alcoholic beverages okay... AND DON'T DRIVE!
Either way, the Tribunal has evaluated both characters drawing the following conclusions:
Cap: He has faced more difficulties in his early life, and despite how UGLY and TERRIBLE the world was to him, he still saved the world! Cap has faced more difficult characterwise situations. He has proven to have a solid steel character.
Thor: He has faced more difficult tasks (fighting Hela, Kurse, Malekith etc). He has saved more people (overall).
To me Cap is the more heroic one. What defines a hero is it's character. The way they approach life. The way they treat others and their strength in times of hardship (not physical).
Am not saying Thor isn't heroic, but damn sure Cap is the 'iconic hero'.
But either way, other's opinion is respected!...
Thor has faced far more hardships than Cap. I’ve already went over this. Thor lost everything, his sister tried to kill him, lost an eye, Asgard was destroyed, remnants of Asgard the people were decimated by Thanos, etc.
Thor also saved Cap’s ass in the film. It’s very telling Cap is about to die along with the avengers until the guy who just took the full force of a neutron Star to come and save them all. Thor is more heroic. Sorry Cap fans.
The Tribunal has evaluated both Thor's and Cap's trilogies:
Captain America:
- A no one whose future was to be a random American person with a 'no one cares' future.
- He was sick, small, and underestimated.
- He was rejected to participate in WW2 and bullied.
- Despite being bullied he kept working hard and manage to enter the academy (As a random soldier destined to get killed by a Nazi!)
- He was in poor condition and yet managed to win all his courses in the academy.
- He sacrificed himself into what looked like a granade to safe his pals proving his massively heroic attitude.
- Finally rewarded for his attitude earning the SSS and becoming America's idol and embassador in WW2.
- He made the ultimate sacrifice by crashing Red Skull's plane into the ice saving a World who 1. Never believed in him 2. Mistreated him
Thor:
- Son of Odin, and heir of Asgard
- He was strong, powerful and damn handsome.
- He was given Mjolnir, one of the Universe's most power weapon at its time
- His pride and ego made him lose Mjolnir and his Powers
- He was casted to Earth where he had a decent lifetime and being looked over by Jane Foster and her friends
- He finally became humble and got a punch from Destroyer making him 'Worthy again'.
- Went to Asgard to fulfill his duty as heir to the throne, and fix something HE STARTED! He defeated Loki....Which is expected since he is the true son of Odin, and had Mjolnir which>>>>>Odin staff!
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
-Hydra comes out of the shadows
-Bucky Barnes aka. The Winter Soldier makes it's return and attack's SHIELD, attempts to kill both Cap and Nick Fury
- Did Steve even had a mother to look after him!? Did he even had someone to take care of him!!? Did he even had someone to feed him and love him!?..The only woman who loved him (Agent Carter) was ripped off his arms by time.
- Steve never had a brother! The only brother he ever knew 'apparently died' only to return years later as an enemy known as the Winter Soldier. Now he is faced with the heart-breaking task of facing his own brother in combat.
- Steve rather DIE! HE RATHER DIE instead of his brother who had turned evil and didn't only wanted to kill him but wanted the to destroy the world. Not only that, but Steve actually saved the day AGAIN!
Thor: Dark World
-Dark Elves come out of the shadows
-Malekith attacks Asgard killing Freya and kidnapping Jayne
- The entire Asgard moarns Freya's death and gives her a HELL of a funeral worthy of the Queen of Asgard. Her death is but a collateral damage between The Asgard-Elf wars.
- Thor follows his duty as Heir of Asgard and goes face Malekith which results in Loki 'apparently dying'. Sure Thor moarned him too, another casualty of war.
- BLAH BLAH BLAH, usual storytelling. The good guy defeats the bad one. End of Thor.
Captain America: Civil War
-Following the events of Sokovia the Cap has to choose whether following Stark’s decision to limit the Avengers to the Sokovia Accords or keep fighting for freedom despite breaking his relationship with Tony who although they’ve had their differences, are still friends.
-Winter Soldier appears again. He seems to be a villain, but is in truth the outcome of Hydra’s evil and experiments. Bucky was the closest thing to a brother Cap had (to our knowledge). He won’t give up on him, a true sign of love and heroism.
-Avengers split up. Tony wants to have revenge on Bucky. All Cap wants is to avoid conflict; he wants to protect Bucky. Tony is blinded by rage and anger, he is too emotionally to think properly on his actions and threatens to destroy the Avengers (As a team).
-Things end up for worse. Avengers are split up. Cap is FORCED to fight his OWN FRIENDS! In the end they manage to save Bucky and they escape. However, IM isn’t satisfied and won’t stop his plans of vengeance.
-Final conflict: IM engages both Bucky and Steve. Steve is reluctant to fight. ALL HE WANTS IS TO SAVE BUCKY. Yet Tony is enraged…well he has reasons to. Tony won’t hold back, he will have his vengeance.
-Finally after one of the most heart-breaking fights in the entire MCU…Cap manages to pull an unexpected victory…He didn’t killed Tony, he just stopped him…
-In the end, Cap’s decision cost him his friendship with Tony. He ended up being a considered a CRIMINAL by the world he once saved! By the country he once sacrificed everything for!
Thor Ragnarok:
-Odin goes missing. Thor and Loki find him in Norway. Odin dies of age. The sad truth of mortality.
-Hela appears. She is Thor’s sister, although Thor never even knew of her. Does Thor love her? Does Thor care for her? Well he did throw Mjolnir at her…Hardly a loving welcoming…
-Well Hela defended herself and exiled Thor and Loki. Thor ended up in Sakaar where he met old friends and make some new ones (Valkyrie and Hulk). In the end he is fine, and sets on a mission to save Asgard.
-They scape Sakaar and reach Asgard. Thor is fine, he had a hell of a trip from Sakaar to Asgard. He admits the food wasn’t the best, but he isn’t that demanding.
-Thor engages Hela. No holds barred! He will have Asgard back.
-After a hell of a fight. Surtur is released. Thor along with the rest of the Asgardians successfully escape, whilst Hela along with Asgard are obliterated COMPLETING RAGNAROK….The End of Asgard as it was prophesized so long ago….Although Asgard was destroy, “Asgard is not a place. Asgard is where it’s people is…” Odin Borson (I might have not write the exact words, but you get the concept).
-In the end Thor escapes unharmed (besides his eye which makes him look even more damn HANDSOME). His relationship with Loki solidifies! He meets a new hot chick (Valkyrie).
Cap's got more characterwise hard decisions to make. Thor has had more difficult tasks.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The Tribunal has evaluated both Thor's and Cap's trilogies:[B]Captain America:
- A no one whose future was to be a random American person with a 'no one cares' future.
- He was sick, small, and underestimated.
- He was rejected to participate in WW2 and bullied.
- Despite being bullied he kept working hard and manage to enter the academy (As a random soldier destined to get killed by a Nazi!)
- He was in poor condition and yet managed to win all his courses in the academy.
- He sacrificed himself into what looked like a granade to safe his pals proving his massively heroic attitude.
- Finally rewarded for his attitude earning the SSS and becoming America's idol and embassador in WW2.
- He made the ultimate sacrifice by crashing Red Skull's plane into the ice saving a World who 1. Never believed in him 2. Mistreated himThor:
- Son of Odin, and heir of Asgard
- He was strong, powerful and damn handsome.
- He was given Mjolnir, one of the Universe's most power weapon at its time
- His pride and ego made him lose Mjolnir and his Powers
- He was casted to Earth where he had a decent lifetime and being looked over by Jane Foster and her friends
- He finally became humble and got a punch from Destroyer making him 'Worthy again'.
- Went to Asgard to fulfill his duty as heir to the throne, and fix something HE STARTED! He defeated Loki....Which is expected since he is the true son of Odin, and had Mjolnir which>>>>>Odin staff!Captain America: The Winter Soldier
-Hydra comes out of the shadows
-Bucky Barnes aka. The Winter Soldier makes it's return and attack's SHIELD, attempts to kill both Cap and Nick Fury
- Did Steve even had a mother to look after him!? Did he even had someone to take care of him!!? Did he even had someone to feed him and love him!?..The only woman who loved him (Agent Carter) was ripped off his arms by time.
- Steve never had a brother! The only brother he ever knew 'apparently died' only to return years later as an enemy known as the Winter Soldier. Now he is faced with the heart-breaking task of facing his own brother in combat.
- Steve rather DIE! HE RATHER DIE instead of his brother who had turned evil and didn't only wanted to kill him but wanted the to destroy the world. Not only that, but Steve actually saved the day AGAIN!Thor: Dark World
-Dark Elves come out of the shadows
-Malekith attacks Asgard killing Freya and kidnapping Jayne
- The entire Asgard moarns Freya's death and gives her a HELL of a funeral worthy of the Queen of Asgard. Her death is but a collateral damage between The Asgard-Elf wars.
- Thor follows his duty as Heir of Asgard and goes face Malekith which results in Loki 'apparently dying'. Sure Thor moarned him too, another casualty of war.
- BLAH BLAH BLAH, usual storytelling. The good guy defeats the bad one. End of Thor.Captain America: Civil War
-Following the events of Sokovia the Cap has to choose whether following Stark’s decision to limit the Avengers to the Sokovia Accords or keep fighting for freedom despite breaking his relationship with Tony who although they’ve had their differences, are still friends.
-Winter Soldier appears again. He seems to be a villain, but is in truth the outcome of Hydra’s evil and experiments. Bucky was the closest thing to a brother Cap had (to our knowledge). He won’t give up on him, a true sign of love and heroism.
-Avengers split up. Tony wants to have revenge on Bucky. All Cap wants is to avoid conflict; he wants to protect Bucky. Tony is blinded by rage and anger, he is too emotionally to think properly on his actions and threatens to destroy the Avengers (As a team).
-Things end up for worse. Avengers are split up. Cap is FORCED to fight his OWN FRIENDS! In the end they manage to save Bucky and they escape. However, IM isn’t satisfied and won’t stop his plans of vengeance.
-Final conflict: IM engages both Bucky and Steve. Steve is reluctant to fight. ALL HE WANTS IS TO SAVE BUCKY. Yet Tony is enraged…well he has reasons to. Tony won’t hold back, he will have his vengeance.
-Finally after one of the most heart-breaking fights in the entire MCU…Cap manages to pull an unexpected victory…He didn’t killed Tony, he just stopped him…
-In the end, Cap’s decision cost him his friendship with Tony. He ended up being a considered a CRIMINAL by the world he once saved! By the country he once sacrificed everything for!Thor Ragnarok:
-Odin goes missing. Thor and Loki find him in Norway. Odin dies of age. The sad truth of mortality.
-Hela appears. She is Thor’s sister, although Thor never even knew of her. Does Thor love her? Does Thor care for her? Well he did throw Mjolnir at her…Hardly a loving welcoming…
-Well Hela defended herself and exiled Thor and Loki. Thor ended up in Sakaar where he met old friends and make some new ones (Valkyrie and Hulk). In the end he is fine, and sets on a mission to save Asgard.
-They scape Sakaar and reach Asgard. Thor is fine, he had a hell of a trip from Sakaar to Asgard. He admits the food wasn’t the best, but he isn’t that demanding.
-Thor engages Hela. No holds barred! He will have Asgard back.
-After a hell of a fight. Surtur is released. Thor along with the rest of the Asgardians successfully escape, whilst Hela along with Asgard are obliterated COMPLETING RAGNAROK….The End of Asgard as it was prophesized so long ago….Although Asgard was destroy, “Asgard is not a place. Asgard is where it’s people is…” Odin Borson (I might have not write the exact words, but you get the concept).
-In the end Thor escapes unharmed (besides his eye which makes him look even more damn HANDSOME). His relationship with Loki solidifies! He meets a new hot chick (Valkyrie).Cap's got more characterwise hard decisions to make. Thor has had more difficult tasks. [/B]
Cap wins.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Infinity War is like the worse movie to pull out heroism from!All the heroes lost. They were outbest! Sure all of them tried hard to stop Thanos, but they all failed in the end.
You misunderstand, I'm not saying to compare ONLY their feats from Infinity War, I'm asking to compare them as of the latest MCU movie so that you take into consideration all of their achievement and character development.
Originally posted by Juk3nThor came from a warlike people thor overcame his own upbringing and lifestyle to change and show compassion for his enemies. Cap lied to Tony about his friend who murdered his parents. Don’t act like Cap is without fault either.
Cap was heroic from pre Serum. Mcu1930's.
Thor was a warmongering manchild until mcu2012.