Originally posted by leonidasdoubtful of those first two. Drax has (on more than one occasion) hurt/kept up with Gladiator and did better against Angela that Gamora did iirc. There's also that showing where Gamora got hit by emma frost and failed rather hilariously to kill a holding back winter soldier.
gamora for sure imo. faster, stronger, better HF.
Originally posted by deathslash
doubtful of those first two. Drax has (on more than one occasion) hurt/kept up with Gladiator and did better against Angela that Gamora did iirc. There's also that showing where Gamora got hit by emma frost and failed rather hilariously to kill a holding back winter soldier.
Since you're bringing about her recent failures, you should also mention her swordfight with Storm.
Storm is good and all, having been trained by Wolverine... but Gamora was amped by the Black Vortex 😂
She also had a rather mediocre showing against Nightcrawler, iirc.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW👆
Since you're bringing about her recent failures, you should also mention her swordfight with Storm.Storm is good and all, having been trained by Wolverine... but Gamora was amped by the Black Vortex 😂
She also had a rather mediocre showing against Nightcrawler, iirc.
Drax is busy fistfighting with one of the fastest and strongest herald level character in Marvel while Gamora is busy trying and failing to beat people that should be beneath her. She's like the female version of Karnak.
Originally posted by deathslash
👆Drax is busy fistfighting with one of the fastest and strongest herald level character in Marvel while Gamora is busy trying and failing to beat people that should be beneath her. She's like the female version of Karnak.
I think she had some other really embarrassing showings, but forgot them.
Anyway, she was always all hype, no substance.
she has speed feats well beyond his--even moves as a blur and has some multiple image movement feats. speed is almost certainly in her favor unless you have some drax speed feats that compare. and you can talk low feats (which isn't the best way to compare characters of course) but she has also recently beat the hell out of carol and has beaten she-hulk in the past. storm has also handled bp in h2h, so clearly storm isn't a great barometer as low feats go. and glads was toying with drax and ended him pretty effortlessly when he was done playing. show some of drax better feats instead of low balling. until then i'd take gamora for a very solid majority here.
Originally posted by leonidasMoving as a blur isn't all that impressive
she has speed feats well beyond his--even moves as a blur and has some multiple image movement feats. speed is almost certainly in her favor unless you have some drax speed feats that compare. and you can talk low feats (which isn't the best way to compare characters of course) but she has also recently beat the hell out of carol and has beaten she-hulk in the past.
and drax has at least one after image feat.
http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/drax/draxvscenturion.jpg.html
Originally posted by leonidasIf by "handled" you mean that she landed several hits while he was explicitly holding back and he was even the one that broke off the fight, then yeah, she "handled" him. Btw, Storm herself acknowledges that BP would be the death of her if he was fighting all out in h2h.
storm has also handled bp in h2h, so clearly storm isn't a great barometer as low feats go.
Originally posted by leonidasin your first post, you said that she was stronger. As long as drax can draw blood from gladiator, injure Angela, and beat on Thanos, he's not weaker than her. Not by a longshot.
and glads was toying with drax and ended him pretty effortlessly when he was done playing. show some of drax better feats instead of low balling. until then i'd take gamora for a very solid majority here.
For further proof of his superiority, look at this:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2i8yf6s.png
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2exnce8&s=8#.Ww1IPx9lCf0
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5d3tk2&s=8#.Ww1IRR9lCf0
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8xj8k8&s=8#.Ww1ISx9lCf0
As opposed to this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1qkfh3&s=8#.Ww1KdB9lCf0
Gamora only managed to land one solid hit vs drax's two. The very moment that he hit her, she was out like a lightbulb and they even had enough time to talk about where they were before she got back up. The saddest part is that Gamora got solidly taken down with one hit and was about to die before the rest of the team showed up and saved her. Hell, Angela wasn't even using her ribbons in that fight. Gamora simply got trashed in pure h2h/swordplay.
Meanwhile, Drax is a legit contender even when Angela is going all out. It wouldn't be unfair to say that Drax, while clearly outclassed, still did better against Angela than Thor did.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/gX6tr
Take note of how Angela's actually using her ribbons in this fight.
Oh, and as far as skill goes, he casually oneshotted moondragon.
some feats are good.
speed really isn't close. you show LIMBS moving as blurs. that's a LOT different from moving your whole body as a blur:
those are just a couple. there are plenty of other speedster-esque showings for her.
strength: she matches and eventually stalemates ronan after an EPIC battle where she takes the full force of the universal weapon:
that feat and battle alone is better than anything drax has to offer. she blitzes him more than once, and even grapples with him evenly. her durability in the battle is crazy.
she also fought angela for 6 pages in her intro book. drax's fights with angela were much shorter. counting hits is....strange. different styles of fights altogether. i'd call the angela fights about even in the way they did. he was well definitely gonna die in the second one before gamora stepped in, but i hadn't seen that fight and it was a good showing for him. 👆 still gamora held her own just as long.
she's also fought evenly with maxam for a prolonged period of time, and he's in herc's strength class.
after seeing the second fight with angela, i'd call strength a basic wash.
skill? https://imgur.com/a/lii3A
speaking of durability and HF:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140735/3537849-2364630228-IMG_1.png
a crazy feat that even drax acknowledges. he also couldn't have replicated the feat.
skill, speed, durability are all firmly on her side imo. strength is a wash. she should be able to end this easily enough with simple nerve strikes for a heavy majority.
not sure what that is....or for whom. anyway, its h2h. in the ronan fight there was also a time where she had him beat and was dragging him away. she could have killed him with her sword then had she wanted to end it.
the thanos/drax showing is one i tend not to place much stock in. too much tied into his 'destiny' and such. cool feat, and one i don't think anyone else could have done, but because he was drax, not because he was omgz-powerful.
gamora has also gotten the better of terrax in single combat, though to be fair, terrax wasn't 100%. still a very good showing given terrax's power.
Because you asked for blur feats. That's an effective use of blur against someone higher than Gamora has ever beat or even done good against.
Anyway, Gamora has looked like shit ever since DnA left. She is portrayed lower than she was pre Annihilation, and I'm not even sure she has any skill feats anymore. Certainly no more pressure points.
Drax on the other hand has been portrayed as somewhat consistent ever since his resurrection. I think Annihilation and DnA Gamora would probably beat Drax, but you'd have to dig pretty far up your nose to find feats for her after DnA where she could take Drax.
She is a shell of her former self. I don't even know why she's considered dangerous anymore. And if you decide to amalgamate all her forms (which technically she should be the same level, but she clearly is not portrayed as such), then it certainly opens her up to all her limitations as of present.
And you know why?
Originally posted by leonidassolid speed feats for sure. I'm willing to concede that she's probably faster than him, but not by so much that she could blitz him or even dance around his attacks. Let's keep in mind, those aliens that she blitzed in the first scan were normal cannon fodder. Drax still blitzed a Cardinal of the Church of Truth.
some feats are good.speed really isn't close. you show LIMBS moving as blurs. that's a LOT different from moving your whole body as a blur:
those are just a couple. there are plenty of other speedster-esque showings for her.
strength: she matches and eventually stalemates ronan after an EPIC battle where she takes the full force of the universal weapon:
that feat and battle alone is better than anything drax has to offer. she blitzes him more than once, and even grapples with him evenly. her durability in the battle is crazy.
she also fought angela for 6 pages in her intro book. drax's fights with angela were much shorter. counting hits is....strange. different styles of fights altogether. i'd call the angela fights about even in the way they did. he was well definitely gonna die in the second one before gamora stepped in, but i hadn't seen that fight and it was a good showing for him. 👆 still gamora held her own just as long.
she's also fought evenly with maxam for a prolonged period of time, and he's in herc's strength class.
after seeing the second fight with angela, i'd call strength a basic wash.
skill? https://imgur.com/a/lii3A
speaking of durability and HF:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140735/3537849-2364630228-IMG_1.png
a crazy feat that even drax acknowledges. he also couldn't have replicated the feat.
skill, speed, durability are all firmly on her side imo. strength is a wash. she should be able to end this easily enough with simple nerve strikes for a heavy majority.
Lol, since when has Ronan ever been above Gladiator? Unlike Gamora (who had a significant speed and skill advantage over her opponent), Drax had to fight someone out of his weight class and was immediately drawing blood.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997744-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997747-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-010.jpg
The best part is that this isn't the only time that Drax makes him bleed.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3696280-all-new+x-men+024-013.jpg
Also, Gamora has significantly lower end showings than Drax and they've been happening more consistently recently.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JPmu0K0kuRE/Wc_gmkeZnOI/AAAAAAAAMYY/s5q78rLfxRINBVP0-nIuqLrJDvkNo2l1ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg
I like how, without even looking and whilst fighting Carol, Tony still has the time to easily oneshotted Gamora.
As for the fight with Angela, she only fought her for so long because the guardians stepped in and saved her life.
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela6.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela7.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela8.jpg
Without that, she would've died after the first hit that she received.
As for how I brought up the number of hits, Drax managed to land hits with his fists, verses Gamora landing a hit with her sword (after she had to be saved). Guess what they're using in this fight?
Also, this is the feat that Bran's talking about.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127830/2488133-drax_04_010.jpg
IIRC, Lunatik fought pretty evenly with a full avengers lineup and has been getting more powerful since then.
Originally posted by deathslash
solid speed feats for sure. I'm willing to concede that she's probably faster than him, but not by so much that she could blitz him or even dance around his attacks. Let's keep in mind, those aliens that she blitzed in the first scan were normal cannon fodder. Drax still blitzed a Cardinal of the Church of Truth.Lol, since when has Ronan ever been above Gladiator? Unlike Gamora (who had a significant speed and skill advantage over her opponent), Drax had to fight someone out of his weight class and was immediately drawing blood.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997744-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/3997747-guardians+of+the+galaxy+%282013-%29+017-010.jpgThe best part is that this isn't the only time that Drax makes him bleed.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3696280-all-new+x-men+024-013.jpgAlso, Gamora has significantly lower end showings than Drax and they've been happening more consistently recently.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JPmu0K0kuRE/Wc_gmkeZnOI/AAAAAAAAMYY/s5q78rLfxRINBVP0-nIuqLrJDvkNo2l1ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO008.jpg
I like how, without even looking and whilst fighting Carol, Tony still has the time to easily oneshotted Gamora.As for the fight with Angela, she only fought her for so long because the guardians stepped in and saved her life.
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela6.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela7.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/guardiansangela8.jpg
Without that, she would've died after the first hit that she received.As for how I brought up the number of hits, Drax managed to land hits with his fists, verses Gamora landing a hit with her sword (after she had to be saved). Guess what they're using in this fight?
Also, this is the feat that Bran's talking about.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127830/2488133-drax_04_010.jpg
IIRC, Lunatik fought pretty evenly with a full avengers lineup and has been getting more powerful since then.
not sure why you're so high on the glads showing--glads literally says he's toying with him. fighting (and beating at one point) ronan for 13 pages and taking what he was dishing out>>>smacking around a glads who is just playing... is glads>ronan? sure, probably. but that weapon would definitely be a threat to him and he wouldn't be playing with ronan. i mean drax followed up angela's attack with a sucker shot in the second scan. not seeing any real value in the glads's scans i'm afraid.
i disagree too with the idea that she couldn't dance around drax. i'd def say she was capable of it--and is at least ENOUGH faster that she could disable him with nerve strikes that shut down ronan, grimm and rage (near cl100) as well as thanos. not sure how he avoids being shut down in this type of battle when it's been shown repeatedly that is one of her go-to moves.
the angela fight happened in her intro--no one knew what she was capable of, so there is that. she still fought her relatively evenly for a lengthy time. getting in hits is meaningless when they were parrying with swords, so not getting where you're going. if she fought angela h2h, she'd obviously have gotten shots in, so.... /shrug
the lunatik feat is pretty good. no idea what level he's at currently, but solid. i still don't see him winning this though. he'd have to punch her out by beating on her for a long time. she has some great durability feats. haven't seen any from him and all she needs is one nerve strike to end it. when someone has to land a bunch of blows, and the other only needs one, and that one is faster and more skilled? i'll take the latter almost every time.
If you want me to talk about a feat that isn't the gladiator one, I'd be glad to. I can talk about how Drax was capable of hurting Fin Fang Foom when freaking terrax was struggling.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363116-drax+-+strength+punches+stagger+fin+fang+foom+-+drax+%235.jpg
Or how about this?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363121-drax+-+strength+punches+through+magus+1+-+guardians+of+the+galaxy+vol.+2+%2319.jpg
That moment when Drax casually punches through a team buster tho.
As far as durability goes, he's never really had any problems.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976196/
The dragons that he's fighting in that scan are relatives of Fin Fang Foom IIRC. He also walked off a blast from FFF as well as getting punched by him.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976199/
Tell me how hot the fire that Gamora got burned by was please.
As far as blunt durability goes, he's golden.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5976205-drax+-+stength+and+durability+vs+dragon+-+drax+%2310.jpg
Lunatik was Marvel's answer for lobo. He fell into obscurity, but he was strong enough to solo a team of avengers that had Hercules and Quicksilver on the team. Here's how durable he was.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981179-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+1+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981178-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+2+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981177-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+3+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
Interesting MU.
In all the time I followed Gamora her highest feat was breaking her own sword while trying to stab Thanos off panel. Seriously, this broad gets massive amounts of lip service but rarely shows off the goods. Her speed and power showings are really not all that diferent from what Drax himself has shown.
Drax in the other hand has a very oddly defined powerset, sometimes he's one-shotting bricks with no problems and other times he gets tooled by Nova Prime. But he has some stupid feats for his tier, like killing one of Annihilus consorts (one of them was capable of putting Firelord in a comma) or beating one of the Cardinals from the Universal Truth one on one or beating the Luminals or standing his ground vs Maelstrom. His feats of plowing through the Annihilation Wave alone are very impressive.
Going by feats Drax could casually beat Gamora after a brief scuffle.
