Gamora vs. Drax hth

Originally posted by Bentley

Drax in the other hand has a very oddly defined powerset, sometimes he's one-shotting bricks with no problems and other times he gets tooled by Nova Prime. But he has some stupid feats for his tier, like killing one of Annihilus consorts (one of them was capable of putting Firelord in a comma) or beating one of the Cardinals from the Universal Truth one on one or beating the Luminals or standing his ground vs Maelstrom. His feats of plowing through the Annihilation Wave alone are very impressive.

Going by feats Drax could casually beat Gamora after a brief scuffle.

Even with that one serious loss, Drax's average these days is hilariously above Gamora's. He shrugged off getting slapped around by Fin Fang Room, fought evenly with Terrace, murdered Lunatik easily, killed one of the blood brother's whilst fighting both of them, did well against Angela, and even shrugged off an explosion that oneshotted Iron man.

Originally posted by deathslash
If you want me to talk about a feat that isn't the gladiator one, I'd be glad to. I can talk about how Drax was capable of hurting Fin Fang Foom when freaking terrax was struggling.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363116-drax+-+strength+punches+stagger+fin+fang+foom+-+drax+%235.jpg

again, he...punched the dragon, who declared enough and slapped him down. not sure why you see that as a great feat.

Or how about this?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/38919/6363121-drax+-+strength+punches+through+magus+1+-+guardians+of+the+galaxy+vol.+2+%2319.jpg
That moment when Drax casually punches through a team buster tho.[

this one is a good one and much more impressive than the dragon or glads. 👆

As far as durability goes, he's never really had any problems.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976196/
The dragons that he's fighting in that scan are relatives of Fin Fang Foom IIRC. He also walked off a blast from FFF as well as getting punched by him.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-5976199/
Tell me how hot the fire that Gamora got burned by was please.

https://imgur.com/a/tO0Obvx

dude, it was the SUN. that is a CRAZY feat, well beyond anything drax has to offer. now you could declare it so far outside the norm that you discount it, that's up to you, but given some of her battles and the ronan feats, not sure that would be true.

As far as blunt durability goes, he's golden.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5976205-drax+-+stength+and+durability+vs+dragon+-+drax+%2310.jpg

Lunatik was Marvel's answer for lobo. He fell into obscurity, but he was strong enough to solo a team of avengers that had Hercules and Quicksilver on the team. Here's how durable he was.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981179-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+1+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981178-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+2+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/3/38919/5981177-silver+surfer+vs+lunatik+3+-+marvel+comics+presents+%23174.jpg [/B]

the lunatik feat is a good one for sure. weird that he easily withstands ss's powers and has his head cut off by drax. that WAS with a blade though. i'd imagine godslayer could easily replicate that feat. weapons feats don't mean much in this thread though.

again, i'll admit you've made me rethink drax. i've not read a lot of the MOST recent gotg stuff. early on this incarnation of him didn't seem like much more than logan (and i recall logan/drax threads with people saying logan would win). he def has been given a push.

thing is i still see no way around him getting taken down by a nerve strike. he has no h2h skill feats that put him in her class and no defense against them. he'd have to beat her down and she can take a ton of punishment and all she needs is one hit. if you think she can't land a single nerve shot on him, well, we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. i'd call it a split, or maybe slight edge to him if we take nerve strikes out, but of course there is no reason to do that.

you showed me some new things though, so... 👆

Drax has some occasional showings of hand to hand skill, he easily broke the arm of the Luminal brick that was sent to hunt him on Knowhere, he has defeated Smasher from the Imperial Guard in the past if I recall correctly.

no doubt he has some casual showings, but nothing that would lead me to think he can avoid a nerve strike from her in what would be a lengthy battle. like i said, he's better in general than i thought. but in this type of battle, things simply favor gamora. you'd need a significant power advantage over her, or durability that suggests nerve strikes wouldn't work (when they have several times on powerful bricks) or skill demonstrations that would make me think she would be taken down that way. or a crazy speed edge. drax, demonstrably, has...none of those. at least imo. the best we could say is he MAY have an advantage in a couple areas. not enough to make up the difference for me. /shrug

I agree it's a decent MU for Gamora. He'd probably beat her if she had a sword and he had his knives.

hmm, maybe. i'd still say pretty close to a split. 2 knives vs range of a sword? not sure tbh. also depends a bit on what kind of credence you give to a pretty featless godslayer. i would be a lot less confident arguing an armed fight than an unarmed one though. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
a nerve strike from her

Poor Gamora has trouble landing those in actual fights.

except for the 4 times i showed it you mean...?

regardless, it really seems people think poorly of her. i really never had much stake in her one way or the other. i think she's ok, some good showings, some not great. any other character basically. i keep hearing how terrible she's become. but i've seen precious little to confirm this. if she really IS so bad, and she needs to be given 'distinctions', i'm all for someone trying to legit prove it by displaying all of these terrible showing. be interesting to see them so everyone can judge for themselves. i know about the winter soldier and storm. love to see what makes her so awful that we should actually downgrade her.

Originally posted by leonidas

regardless, it really seems people think poorly of her.

Actually in the same arc where Nova Prime casually toyed with Drax a holding back depowered phalanx infected Nova had no problem handling Gamora in close combat. So I won't hold that showing against Drax since Gamora did visibly worse and she was armed.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I think poorly of both Drax and Gamora tbh.

lol

i gained some new respect for drax based on this thread, but yeah, neither seem to be terribly impressive overall.

They are budget Iron Fist and Luke Cage.

lol i guess they sort of are.... i wonder if godslayer could cut luke?

Alright, I left out 2-3 instances where she's just firing a gun, but here is every page where she does something ever since Bendis started writing her. They all should be in order, and if they seem like the next page went nowhere, then that's because that is all she did that comic or instance.

Low showings, "high showings", and showings where she just swings a sword. I left out pages where she is just holding a sword and angling it... she did that a few times.

To note:

She has no healing factor, and has died from a gutshot (see Other Guys 2). She hasn't used any pressure points. She has no actual wins over an established character. She has no real showings of pure h2h. She gets hit more than she should. She has killed a lot of fodder. Her cosmic amp where she was "massively" amped is also a disappointment. Probably the worst section considering it amounted to nothing.

Her best showings IMO are the Carol fight in which Carol is holding back, and the Ultimates, in which they are also holding back. She doesn't have "terrible showings", but she has basically accomplished nothing. Gone are the days she could kick a She Hulk to sleep.

So, is she the same level as the girl who physically matched Ronan and tanked a sun? That's up for you to decide. Enjoy.

Brain Mikal Bangbus:
https://imgur.com/a/dndBJr7

Other Guys 1:
https://imgur.com/a/uo3mkow

Other Guys 2:
https://imgur.com/a/7j38xRC

Amp:
https://imgur.com/a/wtUhdrO

goddamn that is...A LOT of work. will go through but if your summary is on point about no HF that is a big disadvantage right there and a significant downgrade in and of itself. also...really phukin dumb but it would highlight a significant difference between the 2 versions by itself. gamora w/HF and gamora wo/HF. that would be an easy distinction to make.

this thread has been quite a win imo in terms of providing actual info about the characters involved.

Should've just dismissed Bran's entire post, tbh.

Poor Leo.

Originally posted by leonidas
goddamn that is...A LOT of work. will go through but if your summary is on point about no HF that is a big disadvantage right there and a significant downgrade in and of itself. also...really phukin dumb but it would highlight a significant difference between the 2 versions by itself. gamora w/HF and gamora wo/HF. that would be an easy distinction to make.

this thread has been quite a win imo in terms of providing actual info about the characters involved.

Her healing seems that of your average comic character with no HF. No healing from Wolverine's gutshot or from the sun to be had anymore.

Annihilation Gamora would likely win. Though I don't think she's stronger. Pre Annihilation Gamora has a shot. Now? She really hasn't done much if anything to show she could take him out or even outskill him. Even in the instances where she displays good agility, Drax will come up with a pretty good strength feat later on in the same story.

Even when she was at her peak, that stab put her down.

But gamtards were all like: CHEAPSHOT AND SHE TANKED THE SUN

Lol, took her considerable time to recover from sun shit.

True, but at least she had a confirmed one. Now she wakes up in beds from lesser things.