Originally posted by Silent Master
Has anyone else noticed that pretty much everyone saying that Surfer loses, are the same people that think Superman would win.Coincidence?
Maybe if you actually put forth a decent reasoning, then you might change some minds.
So I’ll put this forth.
DD was hit by Waverider’s Chrono energy, then Waverider tried it second time, and Doomsday evolve past it that it hit Waverider with a feedback that knocked Waverider back.
DD was hit by a sonic blast gun made from a mother box, and DD evolve past it on the go.
DD was slashed by a sword made from a mother box, DD evolve pass it.
DD’s bones were broken in DOS, Kal said even he’s bones evolved.
DD’s bone evolve to the point that he could use them as projectiles. Projectiles that pierced Kal’s skin after he was amp by a MotherBox.
Kal after being amp by the MorherBox heat visions were useless against DD.
DD prior to DOS survived a tear in space.
DD in DOS while weaken after being awaken underground after millions of years in hibernations began to punch his prison cell. His punches were being felt around the world. Remember, DD is also like Kal. He needs solar energy to power himself.
DD prior to DOS was stopped from a blast that destroyed 1/5 of the Radiant’s home world. The Radiant was made specially to kill DD.
DD in H/P fought against the Radiant again, this time he was able to rip the Radiant apart in half and killed him. This is the same Radiant that prior to DOS DD was unable to physically touch. DD evolve to the point that he can now touch energy itself.
DD in H/P evolve past th Omega Beams themselves on the spot.
There’s are just a few feats of DD, and I didn’t even add Imperiex War DD, who is indeed H/P DD.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Has anyone else noticed that pretty much everyone saying that Surfer loses, are the same people that think Superman would win.Coincidence?
Can you quote people who are actually saying Superman can’t beat HP Doomsday
That’s silly to argue. We all know how that fight turned out.
Originally posted by SquallX
Maybe if you actually put forth a decent reasoning, then you might change some minds.So I’ll put this forth.
DD was hit by Waverider’s Chrono energy, then Waverider tried it second time, and Doomsday evolve past it that it hit Waverider with a feedback that knocked Waverider back.
DD was hit by a sonic blast gun made from a mother box, and DD evolve past it on the go.
DD was slashed by a sword made from a mother box, DD evolve pass it.
DD’s bones were broken in DOS, Kal said even he’s bones evolved.
DD’s bone evolve to the point that he could use them as projectiles. Projectiles that pierced Kal’s skin after he was amp by a MotherBox.
Kal after being amp by the MorherBox heat visions were useless against DD.
DD prior to DOS survived a tear in space.
DD in DOS while weaken after being awaken underground after millions of years in hibernations began to punch his prison cell. His punches were being felt around the world. Remember, DD is also like Kal. He needs solar energy to power himself.
DD prior to DOS was stopped from a blast that destroyed 1/5 of the Radiant’s home world. The Radiant was made specially to kill DD.
DD in H/P fought against the Radiant again, this time he was able to rip the Radiant apart in half and killed him. This is the same Radiant that prior to DOS DD was unable to physically touch. DD evolve to the point that he can now touch energy itself.
DD in H/P evolve past th Omega Beams themselves on the spot.
There’s are just a few feats of DD, and I didn’t even add Imperiex War DD, who is indeed H/P DD.
But a CIS off Surfer can stay well beyond Doomsday's grasp, and use his board from light years away to strike him at many times faster than light speed.
He was able to see Thanos from light years away, so he'd easily also be able to see the land locked DD from great distances that he could traverse in an instant or two. What could DD do to offset that kind of an advantage? Unless he somehow adapts the ability to keep up with the Surfer in space? On the other hand, I don't see the Surfer ever being able to go toe to toe with this beast, but again with CIS off he'd already know not to be a lunk headed shit for brains, and get within DD's physical range.
Superman didn't have an nifty energy disk like the Surfer's that allows him to transmute it, or seemingly dissipate it only to be able to reform it later at will.
If DD adapts the ability to keep up he wins, if the Surfer uses his board to fly him into an event horizon at multiple times the speed of light, which is defined as "a region in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. In layman's terms, it is defined as the shell of "points of no return", i.e., the boundary at which the gravitational pull of a massive object becomes so great as to make escape impossible.".
It isn't very difficult to see the vast advantages that the Surfer has in a situation that throws CIS to the curb when compared to a land locked brick.
Just because writers once (or twice including the reprint) had Doom take the PC and used it as an excuse to jettison a lot of comic conventions on realism for a few issues doesn't mean that 'CIS off' typically equals you can argue based entirely off fully realistic applications of a power set. It should also be noted that even DoomSurfer still fell fall short of using the power set fully realistically.
Doomsday is going to win under typical comic conventions, even if Surfer is turned into a combination of Batman with the morality of a sociopath. It's not as if Thanos or Darkseid typically use their theoretical power sets anywhere near their fully-realistic potential. Neither does Sinestro, etc.
Originally posted by Stoic
But a CIS off Surfer can stay well beyond Doomsday's grasp, and use his board from light years away to strike him at many times faster than light speed.DD, in DOS was reacting to the Flash while still weaken and with one hand tied behind him.
[quote]He was able to see Thanos from light years away, so he'd easily also be able to see the land locked DD from great distances that he could traverse in an instant or two. What could DD do to offset that kind of an advantage? Unless he somehow adapts the ability to keep up with the Surfer in space? On the other hand, I don't see the Surfer ever being able to go toe to toe with this beast, but again with CIS off he'd already know not to be a lunk headed shit for brains, and get within DD's physical range.
DD in the Imperiex Saga was slaughtering the probes in space. Surfer staying lightyears away to attack DD is not gonna hep him win this fight. Its actually the opposite. DD would become immune, and Surfer will need to get close to win.
[quote]Superman didn't have an nifty energy disk like the Surfer's that allows him to transmute it, or seemingly dissipate it only to be able to reform it later at will.
True Kal didn't have transmutation powers, but remember who was helping him at the time. Waveriders powers are Chrono base. After the first attack on DD, the second one from Waverider became useless. DD adapted on the fly o chrono waves. So Surfer staying back and attack DD from light years away is a bad thing.
If DD adapts the ability to keep up he wins, if the Surfer uses his board to fly him into an event horizon at multiple times the speed of light, which is defined as "a region in spacetime beyond which events cannot affect an outside observer. In layman's terms, it is defined as the shell of "points of no return", i.e., the boundary at which the gravitational pull of a massive object becomes so great as to make escape impossible.".
DD has already survived a tear in time in space when he was far weaker than he was in H/P. You also makes it sound like DD's just going to allow Surfer to grab him and transport him to said even horizon.
It isn't very difficult to see the vast advantages that the Surfer has in a situation that throws CIS to the curb when compared to a land locked brick.
Surfer's only chance is to hit DD with his best shot from the get go, and if at any time he half ass it, he's not getting another chance. Case and surviving the Omega Beams and Waverider's chrono powers.
Originally posted by krisblaze
How will Doomsday counter something like gravity nullification?Through all his incarnations he has relied on leverage/momentum and has been grounded.
Am I misremembering?
DD fought perfectly well in space during the Imperiex Saga. He even leaped at Imperiex Prime before he was killed.
Originally posted by -Pr-
How do you think he manoeuvred through space when fighting the probes, then? I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely asking how you think he propelled himself.
I'm guessing jumping. Unless you think he was flying? I'm also not being snarky. I think it'd be possible, but the nature of the character, I think it wouldn't happen stylistically. I also think he'd never encounter a situation where he couldn't just jump instead of fly, as little sense as that makes. If someone could beat him with an anti-gravity weapon that just has him sent flying from the rotation of a planet, he wouldn't be as impressive.
I would never want Doomsday to fly (Similar to the Hulk). Might as well just put a cape on him. There is a certain intimidation factor of a character just marching off in a direction, unstoppable. Similar to Kuurth.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm guessing jumping. Unless you think he was flying? I'm also not being snarky. I think it'd be possible, but the nature of the character, I think it wouldn't happen stylistically. I also think he'd never encounter a situation where he couldn't just jump instead of fly, as little sense as that makes. If someone could beat him with an anti-gravity weapon that just has him sent flying from the rotation of a planet, he wouldn't be as impressive.I would never want Doomsday to fly (Similar to the Hulk). Might as well just put a cape on him. There is a certain intimidation factor of a character just marching off in a direction, unstoppable. Similar to Kuurth.
To be honest, I don't think I thought about it until this very thread. It could be jumping, sure, but off of what? Stray comets? The corpses of probes? The art does make it look more like jumping (iirc at least), but I was just sitting here thinking about it and realised that I dunno what the answer is.
Though I agree about not wanting him to fly. No thanks.