Originally posted by Galan007Thanks! So They can move moons and planets? wow. 😖
The little bit of tech that was used by the relatively small Grysk task force depicted in this novel was pretty impressive, yeah.-Blasters that shoot "lightning" as opposed to conventional bolts.
-Personal cloaking devices that mask them from nearly all types of scans/sensors.
-Each Grysk warrior can deploy thousands upon thousands of tiny weaponized bugs/flies that can be controlled remotely and sent hurling toward their opponents. When the insects make contact they release bursts of gray liquid which instantly solidifies into a stone-like substance so hard that it incapacitated Vader himself.
-During the Clone Wars, the Grysk gave Dooku the means of creating a new type of armor for his Separatist battle droids that was nigh-impervious to not only blaster bolts, but lightsaber strikes as well. Of course Palpatine swiftly put the kibosh on this 'breakthrough' when Dooku informed him of such, as it would have given the Separatists a significant advantage against the Republic.
-They have constructed gravity projectors that are capable of pulling entire Imperial fleets(including ISDs) out of hyperspace, and prevent them from jumping back into hyperspace... And they can do this from a considerable distance.
-Most impressively, the Grysk were using their tech to drag entire moons and planetary masses entirely out of their orbits and into existing hyperspace routes, just to disrupt Imperial hyperspace travel into particular quadrants of the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions.
There is absolutely no way to know if they're intended to be analogues of the Vong. As mentioned, we just got a taste of the Grysk in this novel -- they were left intentionally vague/ambiguous, and will undoubtedly be expanded on in future works.
As for my take on them: Thrawn, who is intimately familiar with the Empire and its full military capabilities, still regards the Grysk as a legitimate threat to both the Chiss Ascendancy AND the Empire. That alone speaks volumes, imo.
At the end of the novel it was stated that the Grysk had adequately surveyed the Empire and stood ready to invade it. However, Thrawn essentially baited the Grysk into attacking his own Chiss Ascendancy first, which bought the Empire time to prepare for them. Again, there there's no telling what will ultimately stop the Grysk from launching a full-scale invasion of the Empire.
Actually, Thrawn stated that the Unknown Regions contained "threatS"(plural) to the Empire. The Grysk are definitely one of those threats, but there are obviously room for more.
A few more questions-
-Does Thrawn know Vaders secret identity as Anakin, and his role as Sidous's apprentice? Does he know that the Emperor is also a Sith lord?
-Ive seen loads of rumors that Snoke is a Grysk now that this novel has been released. You think theres any truth to that?
Originally posted by MendaxThrawn definitely knows Vader=Anakin. It was all but spelled out for us a number of times throughout the novel.
A few more questions-
-Does Thrawn know Vaders secret identity as Anakin, and his role as Sidous's apprentice? Does he know that the Emperor is also a Sith lord?
Thrawn also knows that Palpatine is Vader's master, and is fully aware that Palpatine himself can use the force.
Originally posted by MendaxThere are a few dots you can connect in that regard, I suppose.
-Ive seen loads of rumors that Snoke is a Grysk now that this novel has been released. You think theres any truth to that?
*Snoke hails from the Unknown Regions. The Grysk also hail from the Unknown Regions.
*The Grysks' physical features were left intentionally vague, but they were described as: "a wide-shouldered creature with angled brow ridges, a tapered skull, and deep-set eyes." While there was no mention of them being unusually tall like Snoke is, the other physical attributes certainly mesh with Snoke's features.
*Per the TLJ novelization, Snoke was intimately familiar with the Unknown Regions(along with the "terrors" that lurk within it), and was able to save the Imperial remnants that had fled there after the events of RotJ/Aftermath. The Chiss use the 'future sight' of their force-sensitive children to navigate through the UR, so perhaps the Grysk do as well... Perhaps Snoke is one of their force-sensitives -- that might explain why his psionic abilities/precog were so uber. /shrug
*Snoke had evidently "watched the Empire rise and fall". The Grysk have been surveying the Republic/Empire since the Clone Wars... And I highly doubt they had stopped surveying it by the time the Empire fell.
*I would assume that the Grysk have also been surveying Palpatine and Vader in particular(especially after the events of this novel)... And that might also explain why Snoke was fangirling over Vader in TLJ.
But again, there's nothing concrete that links Snoke to the Grysk(and vice versa) at this point. But hopefully with a new season of TCW on the way + the upcoming Resistance series, we'll get more information one way or the other.
Originally posted by Galan007This is very very interesting, thank you.
Thrawn definitely knows Vader=Anakin. It was all but spelled out for us a number of times throughout the novel.Thrawn also knows that Palpatine is Vader's master, and is fully aware that Palpatine himself can use the force.
There are a few dots you can connect in that regard, I suppose.
*Snoke hails from the Unknown Regions. The Grysk also hail from the Unknown Regions.
*The Grysks' physical features were left intentionally vague, but they were described as: "a wide-shouldered creature with angled brow ridges, a tapered skull, and deep-set eyes." While there was no mention of them being unusually tall like Snoke is, the other physical attributes certainly mesh with Snoke's features.
*Per the TLJ novelization, Snoke was intimately familiar with the Unknown Regions(along with the "terrors" that lurk within it), and was able to save the Imperial remnants that had fled there after the events of RotJ/Aftermath. The Chiss use the 'future sight' of their force-sensitive children to navigate through the UR, so perhaps the Grysk do as well... Perhaps Snoke is one of their force-sensitives -- that might explain why his psionic abilities/precog were so uber. /shrug
*Snoke had evidently "watched the Empire rise and fall". The Grysk have been surveying the Republic/Empire since the Clone Wars... And I highly doubt they had stopped surveying it by the time the Empire fell.
*I would assume that the Grysk have also been surveying Palpatine and Vader in particular(especially after the events of this novel)... And that might also explain why Snoke was fangirling over Vader in TLJ.
But again, there's nothing concrete that links Snoke to the Grysk(and vice versa) at this point. But hopefully with a new season of TCW on the way + the upcoming Resistance series, we'll get more information one way or the other.
so Im guessng the Grysk have insane numbers if they can invade the entire Empire?
I mean, they were implied to have huge numbers, yes:
"What are Grysk?" Vader asked."Grysks are a species living somewhere in the Unknown Regions," Thrawn said. "Creatures half of myth, whom few have ever seen. It is said they are nomads, with no fixed home, travelling in spacecraft so numerous they blot out the stars. They are said to be terrifying warriors, overwhelming their opponents by sheer numbers and ferocity."
-Thrawn: Alliances
But even with their massive alleged numbers, the Grysk aren't just going to rush in head-on and attack the Empire. They are playing the long game, and now that they've amassed an abundance of intel on the Empire's inner-structure, they are going to use their preferred method of invasion, which is attacking at numerous points simultaneously:
"Their own combat pattern, according to legend, is to use many small groups of warships, each group composed of only a few vessels. It is a strategy designed for infiltration over a large area instead of immediate, massive conquest."-Thrawn: Alliances
That said, the Grysk won't attack the Empire until they are finished with the Chiss Ascendancy(as mentioned, Thrawn baited them into attacking his own Chiss first.)
Also keep in mind that we only saw one group/task force of Grysk soldiers in this novel, yet they were still a very formidable threat to Thrawn, Vader, Rukh, the entire Seventh Fleet, and the entire First Legion(which is just a renamed 501st Legion.)
Moreover, Thrawn implied that the Grysk task force featured in this novel had "Masters" that were monitoring the battle(s) from afar. Here again, if we're assuming that Snoke is a Grysk, it's possible he is a/the "Master"... But that's neither here nor there.
I'm just curious how they're gonna go out, I feel like these guys would be better as a post-ST NR/FO threat, not a GE threat when they can't be given the way everything goes. Or at the least at the point in time, they can't be all prepared for an invasion and just sit around with their thumbs up their **** not doing it because...reasons.
Some Sidious wank.
"Vader glared out the viewport. For someone with no Force sensitivity, Thrawn had a disconcerting knack for reading or anticipating people’s thoughts. “Nothing of significance,” he said. “The disturbance feels distant, yet somehow also close at hand.”
“As if attempting to conceal itself?”
“Perhaps,” Vader said, stretching out to the Force again. The disturbance…there it was.
But it was flickering, barely there. The thought of the Emperor picking up something this weak all the way from Coruscant bordered on the unbelievable. Yet somehow, he’d done it." - Thrawn: Alliances.
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Originally posted by ZenwolfI'm curious about that as well.
I'm just curious how they're gonna go out, I feel like these guys would be better as a post-ST NR/FO threat, not a GE threat when they can't be given the way everything goes. Or at the least at the point in time, they can't be all prepared for an invasion and just sit around with their thumbs up their **** not doing it because...reasons.
I mean, this novel is set between Season 3 and Season 4 of Rebels, which means it's set ~6 years before RotJ. So it is very strange that the Grysk wouldn't have launched an assault against the Empire during that time when Thrawn believed invasion was already imminent.
Granted Thrawn baited the Grysk into attacking the Chiss Ascendancy before they attacked the Empire, but it's hard to imagine a battle between those two factions taking 6 years to conclude, when even the Clone Wars only lasted half that time.
As mentioned, obviously something happens that prevents the Grysk from attacking. I have some possibilities in mind, but until we know more it's impossible to say for sure... Though the Empire would be at a huge disadvantage without Thrawn's leadership, imo. /shrug
Originally posted by TrocityBear in mind, this could all just be a precursor to a major invasion that takes place sometime after the ST.
It is pretty retarded to try and work something this major into the already existing timeline of events, yeah.
Clearly the Grysk aren't in a rush to invade/conqueror the galaxy.
@Galan: Granted, the Clone Wars would likely have lasted far longer if allowed to reach its inevitable conclusions.
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Force user's can apparently purge drugs/poisons from their system in canon now as well so chalk that down as another power Canon now has that Legends did.
"His vision was starting to fade. But he was a Jedi, and there were ways to fight back against drug attacks. Drawing energy from the Force, concentrating on not losing consciousness, he peered through the smoke." - Thrawn: Alliances.
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Force user's ( or Anakin at least ) apparently have no problem manipulating the internal structures of beings to the point that he believed he could simulate lifelike movement given only an hour.
Aside from this being an extremely intricate use of the Force it also means Canon has casual internal TK ( arguing canon Force users causing people to implode or being able to blow up internal organs is certainly more viable now ).
"It turned out to be trickier than Anakin had expected. Life wasn’t just limbs moving back and forth, he quickly discovered, but also the more subtle flexing of muscles beneath the skin, plus the interplay of muscle groups with balance and kinesthetics. An hour’s worth of practice, and he would have had it down cold." - Thrawn: Alliances.
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Originally posted by Galan007Quote?
Wait until you get to Vader using his precog(aka. "double vision"😉 to successfully navigate a Star Destroyer through the Unknown Regions, while moving through hyperspace... Without ever having practiced doing so in his life. 👆
Because if that's legit then its one of the best reaction feats in the mythos honestly.
Originally posted by Sheev
Quote?Because if that's legit then its one of the best reaction feats in the mythos honestly.
“There is no other way,” Thrawn said. If he sensed Vader’s displeasure, he gave no sign of it. “The Grysks have a long lead on us. But they must rely on the Chiss children to navigate them back to their base.”“Children who have done this many times before,” Vader reminded him. “We have such children aboard. Why can they not serve us as they served the Grysks?”
“Because those aboard the Chimaera are no stronger in the Force than the children currently in Grysk hands,” Thrawn said. “We must arrive at the base before the Grysks, and our Chiss navigators cannot achieve that.”
“Yet you believe I can?”
“The children are not as strong in the Force as you are,” Thrawn said. “You have their same precognition ability, but you have more strength and stamina.” He gestured at the crew pit. “You should be able to sufficiently outstrip the enemy’s speed.”
[...]
Vader stretched out to the Force. He had never attempted anything like this. In fact, the idea of navigating without a nav computer or an astromech droid had never even occurred to him. Thrawn was asking him to try it, with the Chimaera and every Imperial asset aboard at risk.
[...]
He squared his shoulders beneath his armor. “How will I know our destination?”
“You have touched the minds of the children who have been there,” Thrawn said. There was no gloating in his voice, no hint of satisfaction at having won out over Vader’s resistance. All Vader could sense was relief, perhaps even gratitude. “That knowledge, plus the guidance of the Force, should show you where the other children are being taken. For the rest, your skill and power in the Force will guide you along the quickest and safest path.”
[...]
“Stand by to go to lightspeed,” Thrawn called from the command walkway. “Systems clear.” Stretching out to the Force, Vader keyed the hyperdrive.
Double vision: a cometary object approaching the starboard bow—
Not seriously dangerous, but a tweak of the course heading avoided any potential trouble. Ahead, he sensed the boundary of the Mokivj system as the Chimaera once more entered interstellar space.Double vision: a large, star-sized object above the ship—
Again, a small touch on the drive avoided the risk of collision. Two more stars flashed past, without triggering any warning.Double vision: the ship angling to portside—
The correct direction to take them to the Grysk base? Vader let his mind sink deeper into the Force, seeking confirmation.Double vision: the ship angling to portside—
He touched the controls again, realigning the Chimaera onto the vector in his vision. He’d never done this before. But it seemed he could indeed do it.Double vision: a white dwarf star directly ahead—
Once again, he adjusted course, and settled in for the long journey ahead.[...]
“Lord Vader?” Thrawn’s voice came through the blackness. They had arrived.
Thrawn: Alliances