Originally posted by riv6672
These arent comics. [/B]
What does that even mean? In a realistic power set contest, assuming no time travel, then I guess Superman immediately tries to go to the air. Any speedster fast enough to get to Superman well before he can react and do this would destroy Superman eventually. "Eventually" meaning within a few picoseconds, assuming we are basing powers on empirical speed measurements from the comics, and using the best ones.
Should Superman get to the air, he should be able to stalk and exhaust a speedster with ranged attacks.
Should time travel happen, who the hell knows?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
What does that even mean? In a realistic power set contest, assuming no time travel, then I guess Superman immediately tries to go to the air. Any speedster fast enough to get to Superman well before he can react and do this would destroy Superman eventually. "Eventually" meaning within a few picoseconds, assuming we are basing powers on empirical speed measurements from the comics, and using the best ones.Should Superman get to the air, he should be able to stalk and exhaust a speedster with ranged attacks.
Should time travel happen, who the hell knows?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
What does that even mean? In a realistic power set contest, assuming no time travel, then I guess Superman immediately tries to go to the air. Any speedster fast enough to get to Superman well before he can react and do this would destroy Superman eventually. "Eventually" meaning within a few picoseconds, assuming we are basing powers on empirical speed measurements from the comics, and using the best ones.Should Superman get to the air, he should be able to stalk and exhaust a speedster with ranged attacks.
Should time travel happen, who the hell knows?
Zoom can't even beat Batman...
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
What does that even mean? In a realistic power set contest, assuming no time travel, then I guess Superman immediately tries to go to the air. Any speedster fast enough to get to Superman well before he can react and do this would destroy Superman eventually. "Eventually" meaning within a few picoseconds, assuming we are basing powers on empirical speed measurements from the comics, and using the best ones.Should Superman get to the air, he should be able to stalk and exhaust a speedster with ranged attacks.
Should time travel happen, who the hell knows?
Savitar (level 3) can speedsteal. In fact, he was the one who first made Wally even aware of that possibility.
For that reason, I say he stops at 3.
Originally posted by riv6672
It means these are forum fights, not a new concept.
Yes, but how different posters rate fights has always involved a tension between trying to be grounded in the comics on the one end and trying to be more realistic or sensible about things on the other end.
Different boards have fallen on different parts of the spectrum. Herochat and Alvaro are pretty grounded in the comics. In its day, CBR was all about the realism--explicitly so. This board seems somewhere in the middle.
Originally posted by leonidas
flash needed to go hyper senses just to detect the guys savitar lent speed to. his control over the sf was better than anyone's at the time had ever been. he'd simply speed steal and it would be over.
Stealing Superman's speed is not that easy with the kind of momentum Superman carries.
Originally posted by leonidasBecause he was eating dinner with a normal human.
flash needed to go hyper senses just to detect the guys savitar lent speed to. his control over the sf was better than anyone's at the time had ever been. he'd simply speed steal and it would be over.
Savitar himself needed help to get to the edge of lightspeed. And iirc he was only manipulating speed force users and using null fields to slow objects. I don't think halting the energy to speed force users is the same as taking someone's actual innate speed. He couldn't take Quick's speed because he stored his speed and Wally was mainlining it for example.
yeah but both wally and savitar were limited to light speed BECAUSE of the speed force being there, not because they couldn't go faster than light. i mean he entered the sf, so clearly he was capable of ftl travel.
superman would need to shift his own senses, like flash did, and like superman himself was forced to do to speak with flash in that restaurant. savitar was also able to generate a momentum robbing force field. not sure supes could get around it. but he did def steal the speed of non-sf users. cassiopeia in fact died in that arc iirc because savitar stole his speed from what was....100s or 1000s of miles away? he doesn't have to gain speed from it. all he needs to do is steal all of superman's speed and it's over.
superman isn't blitzing savitar by any means, and that would give him tons of time to steal superman's speed, in exactly the same way wally would be able to. it's one ability superman has no defense against. /shrug