Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So if Superman stopped holding back, and used 100% of his power, it would KO her? Cool 👆Wait - Solarman, unamped, using Superman's power KOed her.
But Superman with UNLIMITED power...didn't?
Something does not compute.
You mean tiptoe or pedal around? 12th language indeed.
My point is this.
Water is the opposite of fire.
Yet, you can't just cancel fire out with a thin piddley stream, right? You need a nice big hose. LOADS of water, especially if it is a big fire.
In abhi's scan, he cancelled out Solarman's power (which, btw, is his own). CAn you do that without equalling it? No.
So Superman = Solarman. Who....KOed WW.
You DO know what the solar flare is, right?
This is why I said you try too hard. God Superman did not use a solar flare, he tried to punch her to sleep but be couldnt touch her. Then, even he did use solar flare and she walked through it during one instance and fell asleep the second instant, it was done by two different writers.
You dont want it to compute because you enjoy slinging from Supermans waste.
In ABHI scan, they had a heat vision battle. That isnt the same as him using an OMNI attack. Also, the omni attack that he used the first vs the heat vision attack he used the second was against the same freaking Superman. What does this tell me? That his OMNI attack that koed Superman is greater than the heat vision that he used against Superman.
Thanks for the correction. I meant to say English is my 14th language.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No? Superman was dying from kryptonite, he used kryptonite to burn away his mutated cells which gave him his powers.But explode the scan.
He was dying but the kryptonite gave him his power back...
"So you can FULLY power up again using kryptonite as a chemotherapy"...
He traps himself in a chamber of kryptonite to gain his powers back...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033351-5+ac_49_4+copy.jpg
Explanation of what happened...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033353-6.jpg
He's still getting powered up...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033367-7.jpg
He then tells Diana he is back...
Pretty clear indication to me he was at full power. Do you have something stating otherwise?
Originally posted by carver9
He was dying but the kryptonite gave him his power back..."So you can FULLY power up again using kryptonite as a chemotherapy"...
He traps himself in a chamber of kryptonite to gain his powers back...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033351-5+ac_49_4+copy.jpg
Explanation of what happened...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033353-6.jpg
He's still getting powered up...
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/5033367-7.jpg
He then tells Diana he is back...
Pretty clear indication to me he was at full power. Do you have something stating otherwise?
Or later when he was confirmed as dying.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2011/Issue-51?id=38045
Maybe you missed that carter. Because you did not read them.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This thread went for 2 pages before it was ruined. I didn't think it'd last this long tbh.
This is all I know anymore
Originally posted by abhilegend
There was a whole finale between Truth and Rebirth. Like here where kryptonite burned away pretty much everything in his body.Or later when he was confirmed as dying.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Superman-2011/Issue-51?id=38045
Maybe you missed that carter. Because you did not read them.
He was powerless in that scan.
Yes, he was dying but he was still just as powerful. He even admits this.
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I'm agreeing (as did Rucka) that the majority opinion among writers and editors is likely that Superman wins here. It's likely a significant majority.I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of WW's fight with Superman under Rucka. I'd been talking with him before he got the WW book, so that fight was probably his first chance to put his ideas into practice. I didn't really follow any of his other, later work that might have been relevant. Perhaps he changed his opinion.
Injustice was an interesting WW vs Superman fight. Also, there were times at the beginning of of the New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman book where it seemed like Superman was being shown as so unskilled that Diana, especially unleashed (which was a thing then), might have the edge. It certainly seemed in doubt.
At any rate, I'm in broad agreement as to Superman being solidly favored, on the whole. I find it more interesting to try to find and discuss the few occasions where Diana might have been favored, or where it was too close to call.
Well, what he thinks and what he portrays are different. Lots of writers talk a lot of stuff [some to appease certain sections of the fans], but what matters is what they put on the page - and what Rucka put is a Wonder Woman that was inferior to Superman, in a physical sense, to a considerable degree.
Injustice, a game comic, which has nothing to do with the main DCU [which is what this thread is about...], a series where Bane bear hugs Doomsday [among many, many crazy stuff that happens there] is a weird one to use, to say the least. But, I don't know if you know the full context/full fight, or just the scan you saw on the internet. A big point there was that Superman would beat Wonder Woman, but that he'd hold back against finishing her off. Which is, well, exactly what happened. Her sword easily gets destroyed, he takes her down in 3 hits bleeding on the floor in the most casual matter, and him stopping gives her the opening to poke his eyes and then break his arm:
But this...has nothing to do with the mainstream DCU. This same Injustice Superman was later beaten by the good Superman in the most casual matter:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742776/1660588.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742777/2522601.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742778/3275711.png.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/38742779/3551699.png.html
So...Superman is above Superman, too 👆
But we're derailing the thread -- mainstream Supes is 100% above Wonder Woman hand to hand, and a healthy majority even if she has weapons.
Originally posted by abhilegendI edited that one out [I don't want another discussion...] but heavily implied, yes. And directly shown, when she breaks the chains Diana was kept in Paradise Island.
Supergirl is above Diana in current arc?
Also, Black Adam is Supergirl's punching bag in training, until she's ready to train with Diana, lol. The Shazam family has become Diana's napkins.
Originally posted by One Big MobYeah, but it was a cosmetic change to 'show his grief'. You can argue the bone-stuff is helpful for piercing [as he did], but the strength [the one which she remarked on breaking the bracelets/killing her] was all him.
Wasn't he all Doomsdayed out in 175?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just went and read that arc. I believe you are misconstruing events. It's clear that Darkseid has the overall advantage against Wonder Woman, but she wins by manipulating the energies of the Greek pantheon that Darkseid had absorbed into himself to regain his full power.DCU continuity is hard to follow. But what is up with Grail? Wasn't she supposed to be more powerful than Wonder Woman at one point? Now she seems less powerful. And what is up with Hippolyta schooling Grail? That shouldn't happen unless in the 'new' continuity Hippy is way more powerful than she used to be, or Grail has dropped quite a few tiers from when she was first introduced.
To give you a simple answer - James Robinson. He's a shit writer, so he didn't give a shit that Grail is supposed to be superior to Diana. Besides, he couldn't have two villains above Wonder Woman in the same arc [both Grail and Darkseid], so Grail became the punching bag.
Originally posted by carver9
He was depowered in the scan you posted. After this he was powered again by kryptonite to FULL POWER.
He is repowered by Fortress of Solitude.
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics/Issue-50?id=29945
Seriously Carter?
Originally posted by Philosophía...
I edited that one out [I don't want another discussion...] but heavily implied, yes. And directly shown, when she breaks the chains Diana was kept in Paradise Island.Also, Black Adam is Supergirl's punching bag in training, until she's ready to train with Diana, lol. The Shazam family has become Diana's napkins.
I miss the times before Flashpoint.
The only good thing about DC for me right now is the Superman comics. I just kind of gave up on DC.
Marvel sucks too but at least it doesn't change everything all the time.
It's pretty sad when the best written thing by far of the past half decade is about a 5 page story of Superman looking back on his parents.
Originally posted by One Big Mob
...I miss the times before Flashpoint.
The only good thing about DC for me right now is the Superman comics. I just kind of gave up on DC.
Marvel sucks too but at least it doesn't change everything all the time.It's pretty sad when the best written thing by far of the past half decade is about a 5 page story of Superman looking back on his parents.
You can't even imagine how nervous I feel with Bendis. Superman is basically the sole reason I'm still reading comics. I gave up Batman with Tom King.
Try Red Hood & Outlwas [current series] and see if you like it...but start from issue #1.
