Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Now there is this guy.
I'm just saying. You post a scan of Diana and Aquaman fighting but you want to dismiss Aquaman showing against Superman. Be consistent and stop making excuses. Your argument wouldve been solid if Aquaman never fought or had a great showing against Supes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
A holding back Superman casually puts Aquaman on his ass with one punch and Mera had to save him is Aquaman fighting a non holding back WW punch for punch now?
If that counts as non-holding back Diana(and of course seeing illusions by Grodd as if that would be the DCAU) was Supes getting stopped by Mera even worse(just as hint, i take neither of the two encounters serious by any means).
Originally posted by abhilegend
I mean Superman literally pulled Arthur apart while weakened.
Do i rly need to post the fight now in which a serious Arthur deals zero damage to Diana, while a not rly serious Diana just bashed him into a ship and let him cough blood?
Originally posted by abhilegend
BTW hunter prince defeated Diana and future Arthur shitstomped Hunter.https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-2.jpg
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cyborg-aquaman-vs-justice-leagues-children-3.jpgYou can do the math. [/B]
My logic tells me that Arthur stands no chance against an amped Supergirl and DC still insanely far away from any kind of consistencey is.
Originally posted by -Pr-Superman hits him twice, and both times Mera had to sucker-punch Superman to save Aquaman, who was standing defenseless on the ground, bleeding. Superman, by contrast, was literally without any kind of damage, from Aquaman [a Wonder Woman-level opponent] continuously hitting him. I think it's pretty clear that Aquaman can't even damage Superman with his punches, while Clark would take him down any time he wanted.
That whole Aquaman/Mera v Superman fight was a shit fight in a shit comic produced by shitty writer and a shitty editor.
There's a reason the sock didn't post all the pages, he was treating them like nagging children:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.png
Big dramatic pages of Aquaman punching him don't change that, so meh.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm just saying. You post a scan of Diana and Aquaman fighting but you want to dismiss Aquaman showing against Superman. Be consistent and stop making excuses. Your argument wouldve been solid if Aquaman never fought or had a great showing against Supes.
Originally posted by gunchar
If that counts as non-holding back Diana(and of course seeing illusions by Grodd as if that would be the DCAU) was Supes getting stopped by Mera even worse(just as hint, i take neither of the two encounters serious by any means).
Except they do. There really isn't a reason for Diana to hold back against Cheetah who she think she is fighting.
Superman wasn't stopped by Mera. Cropping scans wouldn't make your point.
Do i rly need to post the fight now in which a serious Arthur deals zero damage to Diana, while a not rly serious Diana just bashed him into a ship and let him cough blood?
And I will show you scans of Arthur outright overpowering Diana while she had him in a chokehold from behind.
Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Aquaman/Dianna:
...As if we needed *more* confirmation that Aquaman is solidly in the WW/Superman tier...
My logic tells me that Arthur stands no chance against amped Supergirl and DC still insanely far away from any kind of consistencey is. [/B]
Wonder Woman using her lasso to trap Kara doesn't mean she was going to beat Kara h2h.
Superman hits him twice, and both times Mera had to sucker-punch Superman to save Aquaman, who was standing defenseless on the ground, bleeding. Superman, by contrast, was literally without any kind of damage, from Aquaman [a Wonder Woman-level opponent] continuously hitting him. I think it's pretty clear that Aquaman can't even damage Superman with his punches, while Clark would take him down any time he wanted. There's a reason the sock didn't post all the pages, he was treating them like nagging children: https://comicnewbies.files.wordpres...n-rebirth-5.png Big dramatic pages of Aquaman punching him don't change that, so meh.
Arthur is still no Wonder Woman lvl opponent, even though he came much closer to Clark and Diana since Flashpoint.
And the"sock"(whatever that actually means) posted a freaking link to the whole fight(in which he didn't threated them like nagging children) cause he don't wanted to spam the thread with scans.
Originally posted by gunchar
Indeed, but the Still Force and that idiotic illusions fight in JL 4 is also not quite a new Kingdom Come.
I don't even want to think about that.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman hits him twice, and both times Mera had to sucker-punch Superman to save Aquaman, who was standing defenseless on the ground, bleeding. Superman, by contrast, was literally without any kind of damage, from Aquaman [a Wonder Woman-level opponent] continuously hitting him. I think it's pretty clear that Aquaman can't even damage Superman with his punches, while Clark would take him down any time he wanted.There's a reason the sock didn't post all the pages, he was treating them like nagging children:
https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.pngBig dramatic pages of Aquaman punching him don't change that, so meh.
I was speaking more of the awful characterisation and dialogue, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Aquaman could hurt him. The problem is that in any kind of real punch up, Superman just hits that much harder that Aquaman (like Diana, to keep things relevant), won't win with just his fists.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except they do. There really isn't a reason for Diana to hold back against Cheetah who she think she is fighting.
Besides the fact that WW holds back in most of her fights with Barbara except for speed, from which she should have much more than Arthur...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wasn't stopped by Mera. Cropping scans wouldn't make your point.
I didn't crop anything and Mera was able to punch Clark away and even visibly hurt(which Arthur did the whole fight) him once, also again i don't take any of these fights serious.
Oh and your fight between Arthur and Diana consisted of them punching each other in the face twice, i can't even say if Arthur hit her the second time(that's a pretty absurd example to put two characters on the same lvl to be honest).
Originally posted by abhilegend
And I will show you scans of Arthur outright overpowering Diana while she had him in a chokehold from behind....As if we needed *more* confirmation that Aquaman is solidly in the WW/Superman tier..
And i could now also show you more low showings of Clark against Arthur, but what are we even discussing here if you anyways think Arthur would be solidly in Clark's tier(i don't believe it, but it makes no difference for Diana vs Clark if anyways all three are in the same tier)?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman using her lasso to trap Kara doesn't mean she was going to beat Kara h2h.
Diana tanking Kara's attack, beating her through buildings and holding her back with the lasso in the end on other hand does, especially considering that Diana was in character and Kara bloodlusted and amped(and their last fight before that ended also clearly in Diana's favour).
Originally posted by gunchar
Besides the fact that WW holds back in most of her fights with Barbara except for speed, from which she should have much more than Arthur...
Except she doesn't?
I didn't crop anything and Mera was able to punch Clark away even visibly hurt(which Arthur did the whole fight) him once, also again i don't take any of these fights serious.
Knocking Superman away is not hurting him.
Mera was able to go up against Black Lantern WW and do well too.
Oh and your fight between Arthur and Diana consisted of them punching each other in the face twice, i can't even say if Arthur hit her the second time(that's a pretty absurd example to put two characters on the same lvl.
You think that was the whole fight? Most of it happened off panel but the fight went longer than just two punches.
And i could now also show you more low showings of Clark against Arthur, but what are we even discussing here if you anyways think Arthur would be solidly in Clark's tier(i don't believe it, but it makes no difference for Diana vs Clark if anyways all three are in the same tier)?
I'm sure you can't but let's see.
Superman is a tier above Diana, always has been.
Diana tanking Kara's attack, beating her through buildings and holding her back with the lasso in the end on other hand does, especially considering that Diana was in character and Kara bloodlusted and amped(and their last fight before that ended also clearly in Diana's favour).
Diana tanked a punch and deflected away HV from Kara.
The lasso exorcised the influence of the dark gods and Kara was outright stated to be weakened by magic of the gods.
And Kara straight up oneshotted the fire goddess who Diana was unable to beat in several hits.
And as Diana had brought Dark Gods, she held an edge against them and anyone who was influenced by them.
Originally posted by AbelAnderson
If she does, then sadly the writers never portrayed, therefore it's better to assume she does not.
Assuming this is Post-Crisis WW, then no, she seldom uses swords in battle unlike her N52/Rebirth counterpart. Also, remember that N52/Rebirth WW does not have direct showings to suggest she can cut phasers with the atom-cutting sword.
Pressure points and joint locks are standard for almost any high level martial artist. She may not be xena but I do remember a scene, I think it is in Amazons attack where an Amazon mentions that Hippolyta can kill with any finger on any hand.
It stands to reason that Diana knows high level martial arts, even more than hippolyta.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except she doesn't?
No she does and you're hopefully don't honestly trying to tell me Arthur would be as fast as Diana, lowballing also needs limits you know...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Knocking Superman away is not hurting him.
But visibly hurting him is usually hurting him:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mera was able to go up against Black Lantern WW and do well too.
That was in Pre-52, with a weapon and doing well is a very interessting term for what happened there.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think that was the whole fight? Most of it happened off panel but the fight went longer than just two punches.
Oh cool an off panel fight as evidence for a big claim, that's rly convincing...
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm sure you can't but let's see.
Yeah, all i'm seeing are inconsistent bullshit statements?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is a tier above Diana, always has been.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha in the headcanon of Supes fanboys or DCEU only fans maybe.
Also are we apparently lost in the twilight zone now, this here was your literal statement in the last post:
Originally posted by abhilegend
...As if we needed *more* confirmation that Aquaman is solidly in the WW/Superman tier..
So Aquaman is solidly in the WW/Superman tier, but Superman is somehow above the WW/Superman tier(or hey maybe is WW below the WW/Superman tier XD)?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Diana tanked a punch and deflected away HV from Kara.
And dodged HV, has beaten her through buildings and held her back with the lasso.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The lasso exorcised the influence of the dark gods and Kara was outright stated to be weakened by magic of the gods.
Is now maybe Super trolling time:
Her powers are augmented somehow is not very interpretable...
And this here was btw. the end of their last fight before that:
But hey i guess Kara was weakened by the big Bullshit God there, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Kara straight up oneshotted the fire goddess who Diana was unable to beat in several hits.
And i'm sure you will now provide evidence for the second part of your claim, right? Cause it's very weird but i somehow remember just a single casual punch of Diana against Savage Fire as she was fighting several Dark Gods at once...
But i'm sure such a with Supergirl's much more comparable hit for example, would have exactly the same effect as that single casual punch, right:
Originally posted by abhilegend
And as Diana had brought Dark Gods, she held an edge against them and anyone who was influenced by them.
Ah sure and your evidence for the idea that being a Witchmarked would suddenly amp here stats against the Dark Gods or even characters amped by them is what exactly?
What comes next, maybe that Supergirl with a fantastic track record of loosing against WW is also in a higher tier and always has been(but is at the same time solidly in the WW/Superman tier of course)?
