Snoke vs sidious

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Shes formidable the way Savage Opress was formidable with little training. But even Opress was magiacally imbued, and still got schooled in the Force by the likes of Count Dooku.

So no, she wasnt all that as of TLJ.

Wtf is with the comparison to Han Solo? Just wired. Evidence supports my stance. You can be powerful but still a total Noob. Thats Rey.

She was not a total noob. That’s the point. Her ability to learn seemed far quicker than most. Not everyone learns at the same pace. As I said her power was equal to Ren’s her technical skill was not. She wasn’t some padawan moron like you said. Dialogue from Snoke, Luke, and Ren says otherwise.

You just try to downplay because of your own inner bias which dictates your opinion.

Darth Thor Senior Member

^ Yes she was a total noob lol

Her ability to learn what? She had no formal or proper training.

Thats great she’s a natural like Savage Opress was, but like him shes clearly still a noob (as of TLJ), and would get owned in the Force by Maul or Dooku level force users.

Your love for Snoke does not change the rules of Star Wars.

Trocity Undefeated and Undisputed

quan can't wait to watch Resistance, the new Star Wars has a bright future! Tune in to watch the good guys kick some butt, quan!

Darth Thor Senior Member

^ 😂

Disney is clearly the best thing to ever happen to Star Wars!

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yes she was a total noob lol

Her ability to learn what? She had no formal or proper training.

Thats great she’s a natural like Savage Opress was, but like him shes clearly still a noob (as of TLJ), and would get owned in the Force by Maul or Dooku level force users.

Your love for Snoke does not change the rules of Star Wars.

So without training she still defeated an injured Ren. That’s before she had Luke’s training. She also resisted his powers upon realizing she possessed powers herself. Even Ren admitted her powers would rise even after that moment. Dialogue tells the audience but d. Thor and his silly little no formal training nonsense.

Opress defeated Jedi with no formal training, lol. I never said opress was as skilled as Dooku nor did I ever claim Rey was near that level so again you’re just saying silly things because you’re upset her power level was insane and her skills were pretty good prior to Luke’s training.

Snoke overpowered her with relative ease something Ren was unable to do. Snoke’s power is far greater than Ren or Rey’s which were equal in the film. Snoke’s power is undeniable unless you’re a biased twit.

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Originally posted by Trocity
quan can't wait to watch Resistance, the new Star Wars has a bright future! Tune in to watch the good guys kick some butt, quan!
You are one of those edgy new Star Wars fans failing agaunst the new Star Wars. You’re so trendy and cool.

victreebelvictr Flowey's Only Friend

Can ren defeat vader? No, not even close, palpatine is stronger than maul and vader combined and maybe add dooku, so you cannot make the point that ren and Rey are not as strong as snoke when Sidious is stronger then his own STRONGER apprentices.

Darth Thor Senior Member

Ren may be comparable to Maul. But Rey literally has nothing on those guys.

Snoke himself wasnt very impressive in dominating Ren given he did so with his guards backing him up.

Snoke may have Dooku level TK/FL. But none of his Saber prowess being as physically incapable as he is.

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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Can ren defeat vader? No, not even close, palpatine is stronger than maul and vader combined and maybe add dooku, so you cannot make the point that ren and Rey are not as strong as snoke when Sidious is stronger then his own STRONGER apprentices.
Yes, Ren would defeat Vader imo. He doesn’t lack the mobility, never lost a great deal of force power due to burning, and showed the power to defeat Luke prior to cutting off the force. Luke owned Vader in Rotj to the point it was laughable.

Sidious while more powerful than Maul still needed his skill to best him. Ren is more force powerful than Maul which makes Snoke’s owning of he and Rey even more impressive. He wasn’t even pushed at all. He did so casually unlike Sidious.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ren may be comparable to Maul. But Rey literally has nothing on those guys.

Snoke himself wasnt very impressive in dominating Ren given he did so with his guards backing him up.

Snoke may have Dooku level TK/FL. But none of his Saber prowess being as physically incapable as he is.

Pure conjecture and bias while ignoring dialogue, showings, and common sense.

victreebelvictr Flowey's Only Friend

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Ren would defeat Vader imo. He doesn’t lack the mobility, never lost a great deal of force power due to burning, and showed the power to defeat Luke prior to cutting off the force. Luke owned Vader in Rotj to the point it was laughable.

Sidious while more powerful than Maul still needed his skill to best him. Ren is more force powerful than Maul which makes Snoke’s owning of he and Rey even more impressive. He wasn’t even pushed at all. He did so casually unlike Sidious.

ren can beat Vader! That is the dumbest thing you have ever said! And you have said some stupid stuff

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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
ren can beat Vader! That is the dumbest thing you have ever said! And you have said some stupid stuff
He has more force power and isn’t slow due to the suit. Vader is vastly overrated. He never achieved a legit win over even Kenobi for ****s sake. You can act like Vader is some badass he simply isn’t.

victreebelvictr Flowey's Only Friend

george lucas said he had 8 tenths of palpatine's power and palpatine has blown up planets! i doubt ren can get remotely close to that level.

Darth Thor Senior Member

Snoke and Ren both knew Rens no Vader.

On screen facts > Quans wishes.

The Merchant Senior Member

But apparently Snoke saying Ren isn't Vader and Kylo scared he isn't as strong as Vader is just a metaphor to motivate Kylo, not an indicator of his power lmao that cope tbh.

Darth Thor Senior Member

It was a metaphor for the NT knowing its turd compared to the OT.

XanatosForever Steward of RP

Hey quan, you're still around and kicking? That's kind of nice to see.

Earlier you said that Luke achieved an overwhelming victory. I can't help but disagree. Luke only began to overpower Vader after the threats to Leia's safety drove Luke to tap into the dark side. Before that Vader was keeping Luke at bay and driving him back. I wouldn't exactly call that "owning".

victreebelvictr Flowey's Only Friend

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Hey quan, you're still around and kicking? That's kind of nice to see.

Earlier you said that Luke achieved an overwhelming victory. I can't help but disagree. Luke only began to overpower Vader after the threats to Leia's safety drove Luke to tap into the dark side. Before that Vader was keeping Luke at bay and driving him back. I wouldn't exactly call that "owning".

you make me proud to be on killermovies

XanatosForever Steward of RP

Again, thank you! I'm honestly flattered, but I don't think I'm more than perhaps competent. I used to have some other folks on here relatively like-minded that made good arguments. You can probably find some of the threads they frequented in the Video Games Versus forum or the Foreign Cinema forum, which was repurposed into an "all media" versus forum.

victreebelvictr Flowey's Only Friend

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Again, thank you! I'm honestly flattered, but I don't think I'm more than perhaps competent. I used to have some other folks on here relatively like-minded that made good arguments. You can probably find some of the threads they frequented in the Video Games Versus forum or the Foreign Cinema forum, which was repurposed into an "all media" versus forum.
well, you are welcome, I am glad to have you on here, you seem like you know enough. Do you know much about the EU like your knowledge on the movies.