Bloodlusted JL Superman vs. the MCU

Originally posted by Silent Master
Agreed, he might very well have meant full knowledge. however he just said knowledge which is a vague term and per the rules it's too late to "clarify". we are stuck with the stips in the OP.

He doesn't need to clarify.
It means that he knows what the characters are capable of.

There is no other alternative. Vague would mean there are multiple plausible explanations. There isn't.

Also, what good is prep if Superman does not have any knowledge on what the characters can do?

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't need to clarify.
It means that he knows what the characters are capable of.

There is no other alternative. Vague would mean there are multiple plausible explanations. There isn't.

Also, what good is prep if Superman does not have any knowledge on what the characters can do?

You don't get to dictate what words mean. since the OP didn't specify how much knowledge it defaults to board norms which is basic knowledge.

Originally posted by h1a8
No one was moving. EVERYTHING WAS FROZEN. Superman threw them out the way. That's why they were moving.

If a statue is thrown then they are just flying statues. Unable to make any actions. In other words, statues move if you moved them.

Your argument is as follows, "since metroman moved the skeleton to another location then it wasn't a statue to him and therefore he does not have sufficient speed to make it appear to be a statue." see how stupid that is?

While his neck was moving that is! To move your neck takes a less sec. A sec in Superman's world is 1/60 or 1/30 of a sec to us.

The scene is reasonable, and falls under the mach 2-3 category, and not above!

And yet, while Superman began chasing Flash, which scene took about 25s you can clearly see Diana and Aquaman slowly moving in the air along with other particles.

Which means they aren't statues.

You still haven't address Diana's sword, Steppenwolf, Falling Motherbox, and Batman's shuriken.

You lose one way or the next

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't get to dictate what words mean. since the OP didn't specify how much knowledge it defaults to board norms which is basic knowledge.

He doesn't have to idiot.
Its clear. There is no other alternative meaning.

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't have to idiot.
Its clear. There is no other alternative meaning.

Post the rule or definition that states knowledge means a person knows 100% of the information.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't get to dictate what words mean. since the OP didn't specify how much knowledge it defaults to board norms which is basic knowledge.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the rule or definition that states knowledge means a person knows 100% of the information.

The OP clearly stated that Superman has knowledge and tactical intel.

He never stated he knows each individual's weakness or weakspots. He knows Thanos is dangerous, not that he has to remove the gauntlet.

He knows that Surtur is made of fire, not that removing his crown would kill him.

He knows that Hela is the goddess of death and shoots knifes, not that he has to destroy Asgard.

h1 is clearly bending stuff.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Honestly, "hyper-competent JL Superman with knowledge and tactical prep time" probably implies Supes can figure out weaknesses, identities, and whatnot, and that's probably what OP was going for, but he should have been a little less vague about it or just flat out given him knowledge about all his targets.

It also implies that Supes would be fighting a whole lot more effectively than he usually does (heat vision, speed, and all).

Does superman even has the means or tactical skills to figure out such knowledge?

Again, the fact that there is prep time doesn't mean Superman is somehow becoming Batman, Sherlock Holmes or Alexander the Great.

Superman is maybe the worst tactician when superheroes are concerned.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Post the rule or definition that states knowledge means a person knows 100% of the information.

Knowledge implies a character’s power set and capability.
It can’t mean anything else. Stop detailing the thread by trying to change the argument into a strawman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Knowledge implies a character’s power set and capability.
It can’t mean anything else. Stop detailing the thread by trying to change the argument into a strawman.

Prove it, post the rule or definition that agrees with you.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The OP clearly stated that Superman has knowledge and tactical intel.

He never stated he knows each individual's weakness or weakspots. He knows Thanos is dangerous, not that he has to remove the gauntlet.

He knows that Surtur is made of fire, not that removing his crown would kill him.

He knows that Hela is the goddess of death and shoots knifes, not that he has to destroy Asgard.

h1 is clearly bending stuff.

Knowledge does that mean the obvious (Thanos is dangerous or Surtur is made of fire). It means the not so obvious (capability and power set). That’s why prep was mentioned. We all know what the OP meant. This isn’t a courtroom.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
While his neck was moving that is! To move your neck takes a less sec. A sec in Superman's world is 1/60 or 1/30 of a sec to us.

The scene is reasonable, and falls under the mach 2-3 category, and not above!

And yet, while Superman began chasing Flash, which scene took about 25s you can clearly see Diana and Aquaman slowly moving in the air along with other particles.

Which means they aren't statues.

You still haven't address Diana's sword, Steppenwolf, Falling Motherbox, and Batman's shuriken.

[B] You lose one way or the next [/B]

What are you talking about?
I proven that they were statues. That's enough. He threw them. Their motion wasn't due to their will. Superman created their motion.

WW is a bullet timer. If a bullet appears super slow to her then by comparison Superman was operating well above bullet speed and perception.

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about?
I proven that they were statues. That's enough. He threw them. Their motion wasn't due to their will. Superman created their motion.

WW is a bullet timer. If a bullet appears super slow to her then by comparison Superman was operating well above bullet speed and perception.

Says the guy that claimed 1 second = 11 days for Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Knowledge does that mean the obvious (Thanos is dangerous or Surtur is made of fire). It means the not so obvious (capability and power set). That’s why prep was mentioned. We all know what the OP meant. This isn’t a courtroom.

Knowledge means that he isn't steping on a battlefield with a foe he doesn't know anything about.

Yet it doesn't mean he suddenly became TOAA and even knows what Gamora liked to eat as a child.

And again, Superman isn't a tactician therefore prep time is pretty useless for him.

Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about?
I proven that they were statues. That's enough. He threw them. Their motion wasn't due to their will. Superman created their motion.

WW is a bullet timer. If a bullet appears super slow to her then by comparison Superman was operating well above bullet speed and perception.

Rebuked. Steppenwolf, Shuriken, Sword, and Motherbox were moving when Superman/Flash were running.

You can't win this point.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Knowledge means that he isn't steping on a battlefield with a foe he doesn't know anything about.

Yet it doesn't mean he suddenly became TOAA and even knows what Gamora liked to eat as a child.

And again, Superman isn't a tactician therefore prep time is pretty useless for him.

Rebuked. Steppenwolf, Shuriken, Sword, and Motherbox were moving when Superman/Flash were running.

You can't win this point.

Superman calls Batman during Prep time and Batman tells him how to win.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Superman calls Batman during Prep time and Batman tells him how to win.

DCEU Fatman would tell Superman to go and eat 9,000 meat lovers pizzas.

Originally posted by WolvesofBabylon
Superman calls Batman during Prep time and Batman tells him how to win.

That would be a good one, should batman be in this thread...

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Knowledge means that he isn't steping on a battlefield with a foe he doesn't know anything about.

Yet it doesn't mean he suddenly became TOAA and even knows what Gamora liked to eat as a child.

And again, Superman isn't a tactician therefore prep time is pretty useless for him.

Rebuked. Steppenwolf, Shuriken, Sword, and Motherbox were moving when Superman/Flash were running.

You can't win this point.

Originally posted by h1a8
Guess what? To know about your foe you, in the term "knowledge", must know what they are capable of.

You don't get to dictate what words mean.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't get to dictate what words mean.

There is no other meaning.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no other meaning.

Prove it, post the rule or definition that agrees with your claim.